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General => El-Hazard Online => Topic started by: larewen_evenstar on March 06, 2003, 09:48:10 am

Title: Current topic: No Earth Talent in EH? [see inside]
Post by: larewen_evenstar on March 06, 2003, 09:48:10 am
Neil's edit: Was "For Non-El-Hazard Topics", but I felt my rant needed to be recognised. Skip onto page 4, children.

If, like me, you dont know much about EH, but you know loads about other animes, you can post questions about them, or random peices of information.

I know loads about Gundam*, Tenchi and Cardcaptors. Oh! My Goddess! and a few others. So post me some questions about them.





* Only the originaly series though. The one with Quatre, Duo, Trowa etc.
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Post by: Kathy Guinea on March 06, 2003, 11:00:10 pm
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I know loads about Gundam* Only the originaly series though. The one with Quatre, Duo, Trowa etc.


Umm not to be too picky, but Gundam Wing (the one with Heero, Duo, Trowa, Quatre and Wufei...) is not the original Gundam O_O The original Gundam series came out in like the late 1970's (1979 I think) and fans of the original series (in general) don't like Gundam Wing... soo umm yeah they might get mad at you for calling it the "original series". There are many Gundam Series... I, for one, do not like G Gundam... that one... was just wrong O_O I've only seen all of "Wing" myself...

Some Gundam series are:

Mobile Suit Gundam
The 08th MS Team
Gundam 0080
Gundam 0083
Z Gundam
Gundam ZZ
Gundam F91
V Gundam
G Gundam
Gundam W (Wing)
Gundam X
Gundam SEED (the newest Gundam Series)

There are a few more but you get the idea...

I personally liked Wing cos I think it was important that they emphasized how war can become a very pointless game when you take the value of human life out of the picture. The whole focus in Gundam Wing, was on the people, not on the machines... It was about human sacrifice and the value of human life and the senselessness of war. It was also about social commentary on the nature of humans and their tendancy to find someone to repress, corruption of government and ideals etc. :p Wing can be very compliacted and confusing... I had to watch it through more than once to understand it ... too many weird factions to keep up with... lots of ideas and points of view thrown about etc. O_O Complicated if you look at it deeper than just the "circles and lines" of animated battle ^_^
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Post by: Saucer on March 08, 2003, 12:38:59 pm
I'm not really a Gundam fan. But, I love Macross!

Anyway, you can toss any old anime questions at me and I'll see if I can answer them!
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Post by: larewen_evenstar on March 09, 2003, 03:10:53 pm
Okay okay, Sorry. I know that there is loads of Gundam Series, but my fave was GW cuz i liked the characters best in it. Quatre is my personal fave though. Soooooo cute!!!!!!!!!!!

How bout you guys? Name you fave character(s) from any anime. I'm gonna do mine whether you want me too or not.

Gundam Wing- Quatre
Cardcaptors- Li
Tenchi Muyo/Universe- Washu
Oh! My Goddess!- Skuld and Urd
Digimon-T.K and Matt
Princess Mononoke- San
Akira- Kaneda
Pokemon- Gym Leader- Sabrina (she is soooo cool!)
Ranma 1/2- Shampoo
El Hazard- Shayla Shayla
Bubblegum Crisis/Crash- Nene
The secret of Blue water- Jean and Nadia
Sailor Moon- Salior Neptune, Uranus and Mars
Strange Dawn- The one with the dark brown hair...can't remember her name!!! Damnit!!!

There is some more but i cant remember them right now so i'll deal with it later.
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Post by: Saucer on March 09, 2003, 07:44:11 pm
El Hazard: Ifurita ^_^
Kimagure Orange Road: Madoka
Gatekeepers: Reiko
Vandread: Jura
Hellsing: Seras
Betterman: Kaede, Li Chan
Slayers: Sylphiel, Filia, Eres
Love Hina: Motoko, Mutsumi
Urusei Yatsura: Sakura
Burn Up W/X: Nanvel
Card Captor Sakura- Tomoya
Tenchi Muyo- Ryoko
Oh! My Goddess!- Belldandy
Princess Mononoke- can't remember (lady who ran the village ^^; )
Ranma 1/2- Kasumi
Bubblegum Crisis/Crash- Priss, Sylia
Sailor Moon- Setsuna/Pluto

And others........
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Post by: mark_engels on March 09, 2003, 09:19:53 pm
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El Hazard: Ifurita ^_^
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Princess Mononoke- can't remember (lady who ran the village ^^; )
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Roger on the Ifurita fave.  ;)

As I recall the character from Mononoke Hime you're referring to was Lady Eboshi.  But it's been awhile...one of the few anime I've ever seen on the silver screen...

--me

Mark Engels

Title: Re: This is for non-EH topics!
Post by: El The Istari on March 10, 2003, 02:33:16 pm
All I have to say is:

Vash Rules!  ;D  ;D  ;D   ;D  ;D

Title: Re: This is for non-EH topics!
Post by: bakasama on March 10, 2003, 03:11:16 pm
Love Hina - Aunt Haruka
You're Under Arrest! - Yoriko Nakaido
Nadesico - Ruri Hoshino
Evangelion - Asuka Langley
GateKeepers - Reiko Asagiri
Hand Maid May - CBD Kei
Vandread - Meia Gisborn
Dual! - D
Sakura Wars - Iris
Boys Be... - Aki
Rayearth - Fuu
Starship Girls - Ayano Hakoin

and Finally...
El-Hazard - In all flavors, Qawoor T---*** :-[*** No, No,  NOOOO!
Mizu... *tries to keep a straight face*
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Post by: El The Istari on March 10, 2003, 03:57:07 pm
Bakasama: You like Love Hina and Hand Maid May?  :o Someone else! Yes!

*Loves Hand Maid May and Love Hina, but has been weeks since she has seen any, since her mean brother has them all on CDs and she can't find the right one*

Lar: "Well, I can see that he's homeless and cold!"

I love that!
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Post by: larewen_evenstar on March 10, 2003, 04:00:15 pm
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Lar: "Well, I can see that he's homeless and cold!"

I love that!


Is that from the thing i said at school? If it is then it's similar but slightly different.

Sean- Why was he homeless?
Lar- Because he didn't have a home.
Title: Re: This is for non-EH topics!
Post by: bakasama on March 10, 2003, 04:23:24 pm
Audio: Yamete o kudasai!
Sub: Halt.

Yup, Love Hina is Truly Exceptional, thats why its one of the most loved series ot there (Kinda redundant, neh?).  And unkown to most, painstakingly digitally animated. Same goes for Hand Maid May (though thending couldve been at least been more than "satisfactory").
Title: Re: This is for non-EH topics!
Post by: Saucer on March 10, 2003, 10:49:33 pm
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Roger on the Ifurita fave.  ;)

As I recall the character from Mononoke Hime you're referring to was Lady Eboshi.  But it's been awhile...one of the few anime I've ever seen on the silver screen...

--me

Mark Engels


Ah yes, that would indeed be Eboshi-sama! Thanks Mark!

Love Hina and Hand Maid May are indeed great series. Kei is a great character  ;D
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Post by: Kathy Guinea on March 10, 2003, 11:33:49 pm
Favorite characters... this could take a while ^_^

El Hazard - Ifurita (OVA 1-2 and AW Ifurita... not Wanderers :p), Afura
Rockman EXE - Rockman, Netto, Yuiichiro Hikari, Masa (Commander Beef)
Metropolis - Rock (Rock is my favorite Tezuka character in general--next to Astro)
Gundam Wing - Duo Maxwell
Pita Ten - Kotaro
Chobits - Ueda
Jungle Wa Itsumo Hale Nochi Guu - Waji, Roberto
The Irresponsible Captain Tylor - Tylor, Yuirko
Trigun - Vash
Cowboy Bebop - Spike
Record of Lodoss War - Etoh
Fruits Basket - Yuki
King of Bandits Jing - Jing
Princess Mononoke - Lady Eboshi (seems to be everyone's favorite ^_^)
Spirited Away - Haku

That's all I can think of right now O_O
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Post by: larewen_evenstar on March 11, 2003, 03:34:39 pm
'Mon all the Duo and Quatre Lovers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I married Quatre three times on Gundam Boys off duty. It's a great website. If your a gundam fan who loves people making fun of Relena, Wufei and several others, but not Duo and Quatre, then this page is for you. Also if you really hate Relens *Lar struggles to get the deadly word out* then go to: Heero's not toast.


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Princess Mononoke - Lady Eboshi (seems to be everyone's favorite ^_^)  


I don't like her. I like San.  ;D
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Post by: jewel_of_roshtaria on March 11, 2003, 09:21:22 pm
Hmm. Favorite charas:

Project A-ko: B-Ko
Slayers: Zelgadis and Filia but not Xellos!  >:(
El-Hazard: Jinnai
Pokemon: Team Rocket  ;D
Cardcaptors: Yue
Rayearth: Fuu
Ranma: Shampoo
Salior Moon: Minako (Venus)
G-Wing: Duo but not Relina
Akira: Kaori
Yu-Yu Hakushou: Emporer Koenma
Chobits: Chi
Dargonball: Launch (or Lunch)
Utena: Anthy
Jubei-Chan: JUBEI'S FATHER!!!!!! *inside joke*
FF8 (legally an anime): Seifer
Tenchi: Ayeka
Fushigi Yuugi: Nuriko
Parasyte: Miki and Uda  ;D
Mononoke: San and Moro
Kiki's Delevery Service: Kiki
Devil Lady: Jun
Magic Users Club: Akane
Scorcerer Hunters: Tira Misu
Chinese Ghost Story: Shine
X: Karen
Master of Mosquiton: Mosquiton
Oh! My Goddess!: Skuld
Haunted Junction: Toilet Hanako and Red Mantle
Fake: Ryo
Lodoss War: Deedlit
Trigun: Vash
Title: Re: This is for non-EH topics!
Post by: Saucer on March 11, 2003, 09:53:32 pm
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Chobits - Ueda

D'Oh! Totally forgot Chobits! My favorite chara is Yuzuki. ^_^

And while we're at it, Angelic Layer! I think Sai is my favorite chara. Suzuka and Shirahime are my fave angels.
Title: Re: This is for non-EH topics!
Post by: larewen_evenstar on March 12, 2003, 04:12:49 pm
Ni?
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Post by: MrWhat on March 12, 2003, 09:41:33 pm
Deleted my previous post to this topic.  A little too far out there, for this forum, after I thought about it.  Shitsurei shimashita.   :-/

EA
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Post by: Captain Southbird (EHOL Creator) on March 12, 2003, 09:58:04 pm
Concidering the majority of topics floating around here lately, I can hardly imagine what passes for "a little too far out there, for this forum". ;p
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Post by: larewen_evenstar on March 13, 2003, 03:47:20 pm
Is that my fault?

No really, i want to know if that's my fault. No one's listening to me.
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Post by: d.t. on March 18, 2003, 06:10:04 pm
In a weird way this is on topic (it's for a slightly odd El-Hazard project I'm working on), but anyway...

What would you say are the great "Pointless Debates" of anime fandom?  We all know that the Subbed vs. Dubbed debate will never be resolved, but what are the other ones that just make you go "oh, not this again..."



(Incidentally, it's true... we fans of the original Gundam don't like Gundam Wing and tend to start twitching in a disturbed manner if it's called "The original Gundam".  Sieg Zeon.)
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Post by: MrWhat on March 18, 2003, 07:52:08 pm
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Concidering the majority of topics floating around here lately, I can hardly imagine what passes for "a little too far out there, for this forum". ;p

OK, a little too far out there, for me, then.  I have a problem with going off on wild tangents, as you've surely noticed  :P

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Is that my fault?

No really, i want to know if that's my fault. No one's listening to me.

If you're asking about my deleted post-- nah.  Fuggedaboudit  ;D
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Post by: Captain Southbird (EHOL Creator) on March 18, 2003, 09:53:50 pm
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I have a problem with going off on wild tangents, as you've surely noticed


This whole thread is technically a tangent ;)
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Post by: Saucer on March 18, 2003, 10:34:06 pm
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What would you say are the great "Pointless Debates" of anime fandom?  We all know that the Subbed vs. Dubbed debate will never be resolved, but what are the other ones that just make you go "oh, not this again..."

The Fansub Ethics Debate! ^^;

Evangelion: RoXx0r or SuXx0r?!

Slayers: Zelgadis is better for Lina than Gourry! -_________-;

I'll think of some others in a bit....
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Post by: larewen_evenstar on March 23, 2003, 06:46:36 am
Arguments that make you go, "Oh no! Not again!"

1. The Quatre and Vash Argument.
2. The Subs v. Dubs Arguement.
3. Why is Orlando Bloom so hot? AKA What do you think makes him so hot? Why do you think he is so hot? etc.
4. That came out sooooooo wrong!!!!

That's about it, probably.
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Post by: El The Istari on March 23, 2003, 01:40:56 pm
Pointless arguments, that go around and around in circles...

Hhmm.

(And Lar, Orlando is not anime.)

1. Who's the cutest in this series?!

2. Who kicks the most ass in this series?!

So on, so forth.

Peace.
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Post by: bakasama on March 24, 2003, 05:23:13 am
Addendum:

Why does Qawoor Towles have to exist in the El-Hazard Universe?

--edit start
:-[ Ooops, EH mentioned i Non-EH topic. dabate under alternate topic.
--edit end.
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Post by: larewen_evenstar on March 24, 2003, 03:09:50 pm
El, you know that Orlando comes under every single catagory under the sun and any other kind of universal, phycological and altogether everything.

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Why does Qawoor Towles have to exist in the El-Hazard Universe?

--edit start
 Ooops, EH mentioned i Non-EH topic. dabate under alternate topic.
--edit end.


If you mention EH, it doesn't matter.

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Post by: Tim needs time to work it out on March 24, 2003, 03:14:05 pm
Why must Qawool Towles exist?

Simple.

To continue the OAV line, they needed someone who could fill Miz's place (she was retiring, remember?) After about a couple of minutes, they decided that someone like Qawool should exist.
Title: Re: This is for non-EH topics!
Post by: larewen_evenstar on March 24, 2003, 03:37:05 pm
I think Qawool is cool. She loos better than Miz to me at any rate.

Just don't mention EH too much. *Lar brings out the duct tape*
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Post by: bakasama on March 25, 2003, 12:47:43 am
Okay, who of you have seen Evangelion? (TV + EoE)
I just finished watching it completely (after over 3 years of trying to get my hands on a copy) and it was so twisted, I had to re-run Chobits just to recover from the psychological anguish.
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Post by: larewen_evenstar on March 25, 2003, 02:53:16 pm
Well, i haven't seen Evangelion, but I'd sure like to.

On that note, I like chocolate.
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Post by: jewel_of_roshtaria on March 25, 2003, 02:58:16 pm
CHOBITS!!! YAY!!! Actually, I like Chi.   ;D She's sooo cute!!!

And I like chocolate too. Easter is coming up, and even though I technically don't celebrate it for it's religious reasons... I still like the candy!  ;D
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Post by: larewen_evenstar on March 25, 2003, 03:06:33 pm
*Drool* Chocolate....mmmm....*Drool*
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Post by: Captain Southbird (EHOL Creator) on March 25, 2003, 03:18:06 pm
So ... many ... Alielle ... heads ...
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Post by: larewen_evenstar on March 25, 2003, 03:21:43 pm
I'm gonna change mine in a minute, back to the other Alielle. So don't worry, it'll make more sense any minute now! *Lar goes to change her Pic*
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Post by: jewel_of_roshtaria on March 25, 2003, 03:25:55 pm
... The Allielles are coming to get you, Robert...

*cue evil laughter*
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Post by: larewen_evenstar on March 25, 2003, 03:29:07 pm
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!

*end evil laughter*

Alielle's take over the world.
Ha.
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Post by: MrWhat on March 25, 2003, 08:58:25 pm
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Okay, who of you have seen Evangelion? (TV + EoE)
I just finished watching it completely (after over 3 years of trying to get my hands on a copy) and it was so twisted, I had to re-run Chobits just to recover from the psychological anguish.

This brings to mind my best anime marathon so far:
Friday night:  Second and third Tenchi movies (first viewing)
Saturday:  Neon Genesis Evangelion 1-26 (first viewing)
Sunday:  El-Hazard OVA1 + OVA2 + Alt World

My last marathon to date, in January, was the Wanderers 1-26 + Golden Boy 1-6 in one day.

I love marathon'ing anime DVDs.  Don't know when I'll get to do it again, though.  Too darn busy on the weekends these days.

I haven't seen EoE yet.  I heard there were a lot of defective disks in the initial release.  I guess they've got that sorted out by now, though.
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Post by: Saucer on March 25, 2003, 11:25:27 pm
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Okay, who of you have seen Evangelion? (TV + EoE)
I just finished watching it completely (after over 3 years of trying to get my hands on a copy) and it was so twisted, I had to re-run Chobits just to recover from the psychological anguish.

Heh heh ^^; I saw both Eva movies several years back as fansubs. Have to say I wasn't terribly impressed.  In fact, Evangelion kinda had me disappointed from the middle of the TV series on. But I suppose I should go back and at least rewatch EoE since It's been so long. And then let Yuzuki comfort me..........

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I'm gonna change mine in a minute, back to the other Alielle. So don't worry, it'll make more sense any minute now! *Lar goes to change her Pic*

I'm still confused. O_O;

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This brings to mind my best anime marathon so far:
Friday night:  Second and third Tenchi movies (first viewing)
Saturday:  Neon Genesis Evangelion 1-26 (first viewing)
Sunday:  El-Hazard OVA1 + OVA2 + Alt World

My last marathon to date, in January, was the Wanderers 1-26 + Golden Boy 1-6 in one day.

I love marathon'ing anime DVDs.  Don't know when I'll get to do it again, though.  Too darn busy on the weekends these days.

I haven't seen EoE yet.  I heard there were a lot of defective disks in the initial release.  I guess they've got that sorted out by now, though.

Defective discs coming from Manga Entertainment doesn't suprise me. Those vile bastards! Yes, I have "issues" with Manga Ent. Especially the conpletely unwarranted and unreasonable hack job they did on the original Dangaioh! Gawd, I miss US Renditions.  :'(

Speaking of marathons, I don't really have much time to have those anymore these days. But for the last couple weeks, I've been trying to go back and watch some of the old school titles I'm always flouting about but haven't watched in years, like Bubblegum Crisis, Gunbuster, Appleseed, Black Magic M-66, Tank Police and such.... Tonight, Wings of Honneaise!
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Post by: bakasama on March 26, 2003, 01:05:02 am
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I heard there were a lot of defective disks in the initial release.  I guess they've got that sorted out by now, though.


I'm not yet into DVD's... Still pretty unaffordable here in my country... All my movies are in VCD format... poor me...  :'(

Currently, i'm gearin' up to watch Cowboy Bebop; just got the 3rd disk (eps 6-8) last week. After that, Full metal panic...
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Post by: mr._cat on March 26, 2003, 07:58:41 am
Well, I like Neon Genesis Evangelion due to the presence of Ayanami Rei.  There's something Iffy-ish about her, insofar as she's a very private person.

And I also enjoy Blue Submarine Number Six, because of Mutio.  I guess I'm just a push-over for "misunderstood" characters.

;D

=^..^=
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Post by: larewen_evenstar on March 26, 2003, 03:20:30 pm
Yeah. Rei's cool. I still haven't seen NGE, but it looks and sounds really cool.
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Post by: Captain Southbird (EHOL Creator) on March 26, 2003, 08:27:59 pm
I'll tell you something cool.  That GIF, Mr. Cat, is cool.  :P
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Post by: mr._cat on March 27, 2003, 04:54:20 am
Thank you, Rob Jinnai!  I didn't make that GIF, however.  I followed inter-net tradition and nicked it from somewhere, but I can't recall where.

::)

And now I'll tell you about my heresy, schism or whatever you wish to call it:  Although I find many anime/manga characters appealling, I detest the over-arching formula.

Let's take, for example, El-Hazard.  I'd be quite happy to follow the adventures of the Roshtarian royalty, the however-many priestesses, Iffy, et cetera.  But no, along come these idiotic people from Japan to "save" the day for the local inhabitants!

If I had a dollar for every time I've been subjected to an apology for that formula, I'd be a rich man!  I know all the crass commercial reasons for having to have some annoying schoolboy invade a fascinating foreign culture, with everybody behaving toward him as if he was actually a viable character.

Of course, that's supposedly "balanced" by having yet another tourist show up who's a total jerk; who in the blink of an eye manages to become El Hazard's chief criminal.  Please, go back home and take your annoying countrymen with you!

And let's peek at Neon Genesis Evangelion.  Ayanami Rei has been a test pilot since day one, but along comes the requisite schoolboy to take over as chief test pilot.  Rei is a fascinating character, but she has to stand in the wings (sorry) whilst we're subjected to endless tedium from Schoolboy Hero.

*looks for barf bag*

So, given that I've no sympathy whatsover for the formula, I take pleasure in paying attention to the characters who are actually interesting.  Schoolboys have their places, which are in schools — not in exotic foreign lands nor secret weapons facilities.

Alas, if only the media served art instead of the other way around!  Roshtaria for the Roshtarians, please!

*prepares for inevitable assault by pro-formula folks*

;D

=^..^=

P.S.:  I've heard the Gulliver's Travels defense, too.
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Post by: Captain Southbird (EHOL Creator) on March 27, 2003, 01:00:09 pm
That was a rather unexpected rant.

All I can say is, standard formula or not, without them arriving, El-Hazard would've been doomed to Galus activating the Eye of God and sending them ALL to oblivion.  (OAV original plot anywho.)

I think the major reason its important to have brought Earth people into the picture is because it gives you a feeling of emotional attachment.  Sure, a fantasy kingdom on a fantasy world is a great place to be, but it becomes so far-fetched at that point.  You have to totally believe in this world but keep in mind that you yourself are never allowed to be there.

(http://www.el-hazardonline.net/El-Hazard/temp/rob/time.jpg)
The creators of Back to the Future made up the kick-ass modified DeLorean for the point of bringing a machine to the time travel, as opposed to just some "magical" event causing Marty to be time-fully displaced.  "A machine makes it believable", the creators said.

The fact that Ifurita opens a gateway between Earth and El-Hazard lets you think that it exists scientifically, as opposed to pure fantasy, and that there is a way, somehow, that you too could get to this world.

But never mind that.  It also carries some important human interest.  Do any of us ever wish we could just be whisked away to another world?

(http://www.el-hazardonline.net/El-Hazard/temp/rob/lao3.jpg)
Makoto's been reduced to a political pawn to oust Jinnai, who was probably only moments away from killing him, literally.  

(http://www.el-hazardonline.net/El-Hazard/temp/rob/lao1.jpg)
Jinnai's presidency is over at the revelation of scandal (from his own sister even!)  

(http://www.el-hazardonline.net/El-Hazard/temp/rob/lao2.jpg)
Mr. Fujisawa is likely to be fired from the school after the students catch him very blantantly with alcohol on school grounds.


Had everything run its course, their lives would be over, and so would El-Hazard.
Yet, this all gave them a chance to find a true self.  Makoto went from an awkward teenager with sexual orientation conflicts to a strong, sure man in the end [-Neil L.].  Mr. Fujisawa goes from a constant drinker to a justice fighter, showing how much good comes from NOT intoxicating himself two ways.  Jinnai... well, he's happy as a world dictator anyway.

Granted, El-Hazard follows cliches... such as the one many guys have come to hate, the "all girls on dorky main character" cliche.  ;p  It doesn't happen to US, so why should it happen to him?  
But look past the cliches, and look to the things that El-Hazard actually did very well.  And try to see it on an emotional attachment angle.  You can't as easily become attached to people that you will never meet.  As long as you can dream that there's a real, existing way to get there, then its not so far away.

(P.S. I have no idea if thats related to the Gulliver's Travels defense, which I'm not exactly sure what that is. :P)
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Post by: larewen_evenstar on March 27, 2003, 01:14:49 pm







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Post by: Kathy Guinea on March 27, 2003, 01:38:16 pm
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(P.S. I have no idea if thats related to the Gulliver's Travels defense, which I'm not exactly sure what that is. :P)


Bob I KNOW you know the basic Gulliver's Travels story O_O;  (if you somehow forgot, let me know... I'll remind you...)

To make this short and to the point, what you wrote has nothing to do with that ^_^;

Incidentally, I LIKE dorky guys AND power mad freaks... though if I were to DATE someone... umm I think I'd rather be with the dorky guy... cos I think my personality would clash with a power mad freak...
Title: Re: This is for non-EH topics!
Post by: larewen_evenstar on March 27, 2003, 01:40:10 pm
YOU GO GIRL!!!!!!!

Lar.
Title: Re: This is for non-EH topics!
Post by: Captain Southbird (EHOL Creator) on March 27, 2003, 02:42:09 pm
Excuse me, Lar.  All she did was confirm I didn't have anything to do with 'Travels and that she'd date dorky guys. ;p
Title: Re: This is for non-EH topics!
Post by: larewen_evenstar on March 27, 2003, 02:43:43 pm
So?
Title: Re: This is for non-EH topics!
Post by: Captain Southbird (EHOL Creator) on March 27, 2003, 02:45:18 pm
I guess ... try to comment on topics at hand, not off-to-the-site points.
Title: Re: This is for non-EH topics!
Post by: larewen_evenstar on March 27, 2003, 02:46:48 pm
Okay. Sorry. BTTF &EH are cool. I liked the second BTTF movie best.
Title: Re: This is for non-EH topics!
Post by: jewel_of_roshtaria on March 27, 2003, 09:01:42 pm
WOW!!! This is actually totally off topic even for a topic that IS totally of topic, but I just have to say, that guy in one of Robs Pics,


"Mr. Fujisawa is likely to be fired from the school after the students catch him very blantantly with alcohol on school grounds. "

That fat guy, the one with the big lips, looks exactly like my ex-boyfriend, Phil! Woah, talk about inter-dimensions! *ahem* Uh, Ladies and Gentlemen, that is all... That and

I LUV LAR!!!
Title: Re: This is for non-EH topics!
Post by: mr._cat on March 28, 2003, 04:00:53 am
Thank you Rob Jinnai, for your reply.  I feel much better now, having gotten that rant off my chest!

Yes, your points are well taken; especially regarding the umbilical cord connecting the two worlds, ours and theirs, made possible by the presence of characters who are Earth people.  (By the way, I want to go there too; so please send me Ifurita’s e-mail address.)

Oh, yes:  the Gulliver's Travels thing.  Actually the original title of Jonathan Swift's book, published anonymously in 1726, is Travels into Several Remote Nations of the World; In Four Parts; By Lemuel Gulliver; First a Surgeon, and then a Captain of several Ships.  Well, in Part One, Gulliver was (shall we say) traveling when he came upon the land of Lilliput.  The Lilliputians were very-small people who proceeded to, amongst other things, tie Gulliver down with lots of little ropes whilst he was asleep.

(http://mistercat.bravepages.com/images/p1a.jpg)

The point being, that we'd not have learned of the Lilliputians had it not been for the Gulliver character; so, in a way, were it not for the Earth-people characters we would never have learned about El-Hazard — and so forth and so on.  If this literary device was all right for Swift in the 18th Century, then I guess it’s allowed for El-Hazard today.  (I still can’t stand Makoto and Jinnai, though.)

;D

=^..^=
Title: Re: This is for non-EH topics!
Post by: bakasama on March 28, 2003, 05:55:44 am
Speaking of EH as a clone thing... how bout an Clone series of El-Hazard?
The title: Dual! Parallel Trouble Adventure.
It is described as "El Hazard meets Evangelion". Designed by those guys who gave you Tenchi.
You got the alternate world formula, the giant robots and a boy flocked by a bunch of girls.
Title: Re: This is for non-EH topics!
Post by: Neil Lafrenais on March 28, 2003, 10:40:01 am
Mr. Cat: El-Hazard would suck without the Shinonome travellers. Seriously.

As I see it, the first OAV of El-Hazard is a complex jigsaw puzzle. The humans, dimension travel and the 'fish out of water' concept are all essential to the story. They fit together with the fantasy, sci-fi, war and magical girl elements perfectly to make one, giant, beautiful picture.

You suggest that the series would be better with only the "cooler" characters (such as Ifurita, The Priestesses etc)? What kind of story would that leave us with? A bland and poor one, in my view. Sure, there would be the whole Ifurita vs. whoever fighting sequences, but El-Hazard's most charming feature is character interaction. And that is mostly supplied by the 4 initial Earth talent.

It is also worth noting that the Earth characters are also the ones who supply the series with most of the humour. The Makoto - Jinnai rivalary, Fujisawa's drinking problem, the Jinnai - Nanami rivalary, the Nanami - Shayla rivarly, the Fujisawa - Miz romance... it's endless. With those elements missing, the series would be no where as good as it is right now.

The travelling to another world concept maybe overused, but by god, it's executed maginificently in this series.

... Yeah, I felt like a rant myself ;)
Title: Re: Current topic: No Earth Talent in EH? [see ins
Post by: larewen_evenstar on March 28, 2003, 04:32:51 pm
I feel sorry for Gulliver.  :'( :'(
Title: Re: Current topic: No Earth Talent in EH? [see ins
Post by: mr._cat on March 28, 2003, 05:53:38 pm
Aha, I found the thread!  Anyway, I'm sure everyone here likes El-Hazard for one reason or another; and so do I, but not because of the Earth characters.

It's a matter of personal taste, which hopefully varies from one individual to another.  I'm not trying to impeach those who like the Earth characters; I'm only asserting that I don't care for some of the Earthlings in El-Hazard.

For example, I like Mr. Fujisawa; and I like Jinnai's sister.  But I personally dislike the schoolboy-hero scenario, as well as Jinnai himself.

Hey, it's only me!  El-Hazard is what it is; and my likes or dislikes aren't going to change anything.  Perhaps my style of communication offends, so if that's the case I'm sorry.

:'(

=^..^=
Title: Re: Current topic: No Earth Talent in EH? [see ins
Post by: Captain Southbird (EHOL Creator) on March 28, 2003, 06:06:01 pm
Well, no, many people have an El-Hazard character they don't like... although Makoto and Jinnai both is a bad combination because you just killed the primary hero and primary conflict.

Anyway, me and Neil have stated our positions, the scenario may be overused, but it's done magnificently for the Magnificent World.
Title: Re: Current topic: No Earth Talent in EH? [see ins
Post by: mr._cat on March 28, 2003, 06:44:20 pm
Yes, Rob Jinnai, I appreciate the positions both of you have stated.  "It's all good," as the (somewhat worn-out) cliché goes.

What got me going on this was reflection upon Neon Genesis Evangelion, in the context of a non-El-Hazard thread.  But then I used El-Hazard as an example, when I probably should have stuck to NGE.

My main rant-reason was the "schoolboy hero" scenario, which was used in NGE as well as in El-Hazard.  It's no big deal, as I learned to tune out what I consider ballast and concentrate on those characters whom I appreciate.

8)

=^..^=
Title: Re: Current topic: No Earth Talent in EH? [see ins
Post by: Saucer on March 29, 2003, 10:14:11 pm
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Thank you, Rob Jinnai!  I didn't make that GIF, however.  I followed inter-net tradition and nicked it from somewhere, but I can't recall where.

Yeah, you nicked it from me bloke! I made that GIF about a year or so ago. Still have it on my FTP. Although the other one I made of Ifurita flying up in your face (taken from the scene where she abducts Fatora from Gallus) seems to have been eaten by the internet. Anyway, here's one of Baiko and Tamasabaro you can nick too, if you like.
(http://members.aol.com/gransnoise/btani.gif)



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Let's take, for example, El-Hazard.  I'd be quite happy to follow the adventures of the Roshtarian royalty, the however-many priestesses, Iffy, et cetera.  But no, along come these idiotic people from Japan to "save" the day for the local inhabitants!

If I had a dollar for every time I've been subjected to an apology for that formula, I'd be a rich man!  I know all the crass commercial reasons for having to have some annoying schoolboy invade a fascinating foreign culture, with everybody behaving toward him as if he was actually a viable character.

Of course, that's supposedly "balanced" by having yet another tourist show up who's a total jerk; who in the blink of an eye manages to become El Hazard's chief criminal.  Please, go back home and take your annoying countrymen with you!

*SHRUGS* Well, young people more often than not become the heroes in anime (just be thankful he wasn't a 9 year old girl). For younger folks, it's someone you can relate to (you know, being a student and all). For the older folks, youth represents optimism and hope (this is why the main chara in anime are often young, even in those series targeted at an older audience).

And well, as stated previously, it's the "fish out of water formula." And for good reason! It's escapism. You travel to an exotic world and meet exotic people, some of whom want your help. Some of who want your head on a pike. That's the breaks. It's fantsy and storytelling (and escapism). And as far as Jinnai goes, he is a "necessary" character. If the Bugrom could really accomplish all their goals, don't you think they would have already? Jinnai represents the Fairy Godmother that comes out of no where, waves a wand and accomplished what could not be accomplished before.

I dunno bro, it makes sense to me. It's just anime after all.
Title: Re: Current topic: No Earth Talent in EH? [see ins
Post by: mr._cat on March 30, 2003, 08:09:31 pm
Thanks, Saucer, for having made that very-nice Iffy avatar!  I'm sorry to have nicked it, but I was in a collecting mood.  I've un-nicked it now, as you can see.

8)

I really inspired everyone here to bare their claws, didn't I?  That wasn't my intention, but such is life.  As you pointed out, it's only anime; but that very point seems to have been lost all around since I made my post.  I've trespassed into a somewhat private place, I fear.

:-X

=^..^=
Title: Re: Current topic: No Earth Talent in EH? [see ins
Post by: Saucer on March 31, 2003, 10:41:00 pm
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Thanks, Saucer, for having made that very-nice Iffy avatar!  I'm sorry to have nicked it, but I was in a collecting mood.  I've un-nicked it now, as you can see.

Oh, don't get me wrong. You're welcome to use it! I just wanted to let you know who the creator was. ;D It really caught me by suprise though, I was like "Whoa, wait a minute!" BTW, mind if I ask where you got it from?

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I really inspired everyone here to bare their claws, didn't I?  That wasn't my intention, but such is life.  As you pointed out, it's only anime; but that very point seems to have been lost all around since I made my post.  I've trespassed into a somewhat private place, I fear.

Not necessarily. I, personally, am probably one of few people who didn't like Trigun. And I've written rather heated rants about it on a couple messageboards. But as they say, "to each his own" I suppose.
Title: Re: Current topic: No Earth Talent in EH? [see ins
Post by: larewen_evenstar on April 01, 2003, 03:26:55 pm
I started this topic and it has gone to pots, I no longer know what is going on.  :o

All I know is that we were talking about Gullivers Travels a while back. So could someone please fill me in?
Title: Re: Current topic: No Earth Talent in EH? [see ins
Post by: Captain Southbird (EHOL Creator) on April 01, 2003, 10:02:51 pm
Usually once a thread gets this far out, there's not much point to trying to "fill in".

All I know is that we were briefly discussing El-Hazard Earth characters as being important versus Mr. Cat's opinion.
Title: Re: Current topic: No Earth Talent in EH? [see ins
Post by: larewen_evenstar on April 06, 2003, 12:28:28 pm
Seeing as all this has gone to pots, I will leave this topic for the time being.

One question though, this topic is for random non-EH topics so how come it's still in under El Hazard?
Title: Re: Current topic: No Earth Talent in EH? [see ins
Post by: Captain Southbird (EHOL Creator) on April 06, 2003, 12:32:21 pm
I moved it out, but then Neil moved it back because for one second it reflected "Current topic: No Earth Talent in EH? [see inside]", as he wrote.  But I can kick it back.
Title: Re: Current topic: No Earth Talent in EH? [see ins
Post by: larewen_evenstar on April 07, 2003, 01:26:19 pm
It's just that one minute, this place is full of random stuff, then suddenly it's full of EH stuff. And that's when I got confused.
Title: Re: Current topic: No Earth Talent in EH? [see ins
Post by: erin-chan on April 08, 2003, 04:43:34 pm
 8) *no longer really the topic, but here goes*

I think which characters are "good" is just a matter of personal opinion; I've actually known people who think Ifurita is a ridiculous fantasy babe with way too many cleavage shots, which is some ways, she is. ;) Keep in mind I've been following El Hazard in one way or another since...1997, I guess it was? (I am almost positive my Ifurita shrine was the first one online. And just look at the Ifurita shrines since then, they've grown by...*counts* Umm...two?) So, I've run across fans/detractors of every single character.

I'm pretty easy because I like everybody, at least in the orginal OAV. After that, it does change a little. But, I don't begrudge big fans of the new characters any.
Title: Re: Current topic: No Earth Talent in EH? [see ins
Post by: dooky on April 09, 2003, 05:11:02 am
Come along now, Erin... I know you're a HUGE fan of the Termite Queen from Alternative World...

Title: Re: Current topic: No Earth Talent in EH? [see ins
Post by: Saucer on April 13, 2003, 06:58:06 pm
Erin-chan, is that website The Shrine of the Demon God or some such? That was a great website back in the day, and definitely the only Ifurita shrine around for the longest time. BTW, could you toss the link at me again? I seem to have lost it again. ^^;
Title: Re: Current topic: No Earth Talent in EH? [see ins
Post by: xcroc on April 28, 2003, 08:46:04 pm
I just want to say that I don't think El-Hazard would be as good without the earth people in it. Although I don't really care for Makoto very much, Jinnai and Fujisawa are two of the funniest characters I know, and are some of the main reasons I've been interested in buying the anime in the first place. Also, Nanami's a cutie, and the more cute girls an anime has, the better, I say.
Title: Re: Current topic: No Earth Talent in EH? [see ins
Post by: Captain Southbird (EHOL Creator) on April 28, 2003, 08:55:39 pm
Alternatively, my sister is somewhat turned off to the anime because there aren't enough cute guys for her to eyeball.  What can I say.  :P

Of course, let's remember that Mr. Hayashi himself put it so simply -- "I like girls."
Title: Re: Current topic: No Earth Talent in EH? [see ins
Post by: xcroc on April 28, 2003, 09:01:55 pm
Hm. I would've figured that the presence of so many ass-kicking women would make it more appealing to female fans, since there are so many other anime where the women are scarce, and put into roles where they don't really do much of anything. I think it's really cool how all the strongest characters are female for once.

But hey, what do I know, I'm not a girl.
Title: Re: Current topic: No Earth Talent in EH? [see ins
Post by: Captain Southbird (EHOL Creator) on April 28, 2003, 09:36:22 pm
Well, I think that's what makes my sister have a hold on it at all.  She happens to like OAV Ifurita.  But she won't go near Wanderers Ifurita with a 10-foot pole.
Title: Re: Current topic: No Earth Talent in EH? [see ins
Post by: Kathy Guinea on April 29, 2003, 11:04:10 am
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Alternatively, my sister is somewhat turned off to the anime because there aren't enough cute guys for her to eyeball.  What can I say.  :P


Heh well it's ok ^_^

I like EH cos they make with the funny.

As for ass kicking girls... they are ok...  It's nice to see girls kicking butt... though... one wonders how they can move in outfits that tight ^_^;

Heh but is true... if I had a choice I'd go for the ass kicking guys they get to wear NORMAL clothes......

Though I DO like OVA Ifurita's outfit... is a little weird but kinda pretty

Title: Re: Current topic: No Earth Talent in EH? [see ins
Post by: Saucer on May 01, 2003, 11:58:11 pm
Anime chara costumes are pretty creative and wild for the most part. But I have to say Ifurita's is a cut above. Top of the originality list!  ;D
Title: Re: Current topic: No Earth Talent in EH? [see ins
Post by: larewen_evenstar on May 06, 2003, 03:17:51 pm
If we're talking about the best anime costumes, then I have to say that Tenchi's comes near last...but for me, the one who comes first has got to be...the costumes from Asgaldh!!!
Title: Re: Current topic: No Earth Talent in EH? [see ins
Post by: Tim needs time to work it out on May 07, 2003, 12:31:31 pm
Lar - "the one who comes first has got to be...the costumes from Asgaldh!!!"

Okay, I may be one of the least nourished in the area of anime, so I need to know why you say this anime.

Is it As-gal-dh?
Title: Re: Current topic: No Earth Talent in EH? [see ins
Post by: larewen_evenstar on May 07, 2003, 12:45:18 pm
Well, I know that it's probably not a very good anime, in fact, I think that it's a videogame. But I found some images from it yesterday, and the costumes and character designs were really cool (at least, I liked them), but I also have to say that I thought some more, and the other costumes that I really like are the ones from Cardcaptor Sakura!

And I have no idea how to pronounce Asgaldh. (sp?)
Title: Re: Current topic: No Earth Talent in EH? [see ins
Post by: erin-chan on May 07, 2003, 09:40:36 pm
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Come along now, Erin... I know you're a HUGE fan of the Termite Queen from Alternative World...



Oh, yeaaah...I lurve her. She is L33T!! Teh BEstest. I'm making this wicked kewl "Termite Queen ULTIMATE FAN SHRINE"!! Right now.

I don't really have anything in particular against Termite Chickie, except for the whole "subplot that makes no freakin' sense why the heck are you wasting my time with this" thing.

Though, actually...my house has a termite infestation. And now I know who's to blame! *shakes fist* Curse you, Termite Queen!!

*grumbles, then goes off to write Termite Queen lesbian fanfiction*
Title: Re: Current topic: No Earth Talent in EH? [see ins
Post by: Captain Southbird (EHOL Creator) on May 07, 2003, 11:56:39 pm
Wow, that was unexpected.