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General => El-Hazard Online => Topic started by: Saucer on November 05, 2003, 12:27:02 am

Title: El Hazard OVA 3
Post by: Saucer on November 05, 2003, 12:27:02 am
Well, I mentioned it before and no one really believed me.  ^^; So, I finally managed to get ahold of Lord of Nightmares-sensei. And, here's what she says on the matter:

"Off the top of my head, here's what I can remember reading a few years back. Yeah, there were originally plans to actually complete the OVA continuity, but they didn't make it past the conceptual stages (no character designs, nothing, just some basic outlines and such), due to the fact that The Alternative World pretty much bombed in Japan. In addition to this, Hiroki Hayashi and a few others who weren't involved in the subsequent projects past The Magnificent World condemned what AIC had done to their brainchild, and due to mounting pressure from fans and such, the thing was prematurely canned.
It's kinda sad really, since the premise actually made it appear to be the coolest of the lot. Basically, it was supposed to take place roughly several years after the events in The Magnificent World, when Makoto and co. were slightly older. Due to something happening (I dunno what, mayhaps Jinnai was involved yet again), yet another ancient ruin was unearthed, only this time around, it turned out to be a lab of sorts containing one of the chief scientists from the time of the Holy Wars, in cryogenic sleep. What's more, this was one of the guys who was responsible for the creation of superweapons such as the Eye of God, and naturally, he got resuscitated. Thing is that, he couldn't adjust to life in the present, nor could he accept the fact that both factions in the war had pretty much wiped each other out, including everyone he knew and this caused him to go mental, reactivating practically every single super weapon that lay dormant across El-Hazard, resulting in a mssive apocalypse.
The Phantom Tribe, now lead by Najato and hiding in the shadows, had been waiting for just such an opportunity and took the chance to cause a whole load of general mischief as well (IIRC, they were also the ones who had a hand in causing the scientist dude to go mental). God knows how Makoto and friends managed to sort out this little mess, but by the end of it all, he was supposed to have finally learnt the secret of the Eye of God to time travel (probably cos' of the scientist), and was able to make his way to Earth to be reunited with Ifurita. Oh yeah, and there was another rumor that a new breed of evolved Bugrom was to be introduced in the final season, presumably from the union of Jinnai and Diva."
Title: Re: El Hazard OVA 3
Post by: Kathy Guinea on November 05, 2003, 05:21:08 am
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Oh yeah, and there was another rumor that a new breed of evolved Bugrom was to be introduced in the final season, presumably from the union of Jinnai and Diva."


O_o Mental image burned into head forever... AAAAAAGGGHHH!

Oh well not as bad as that REALLY SCARY yaoi fan art I once accidentally ran across with X and the Colonel... ... ... ... ... I think I'm gonna go cry now :bawl
Title: Re: El Hazard OVA 3
Post by: Captain Southbird (EHOL Creator) on November 05, 2003, 09:20:42 am
Wow.  O_o  Interstingly, more or less, me and Tim have come up with a very similar plotline for the project which dare not get hit with developement.  ;)  Damn you GBA; my last hurrah with you is taking a bit longer than I want!  For the sake of not spoiling ideas or trying to cover up for things we change our mind about, I'm now going into specifics.  I guess me and the creator guys think alike, though.

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The Alternative World pretty much bombed in Japan. In addition to this, Hiroki Hayashi and a few others who weren't involved in the subsequent projects past The Magnificent World condemned what AIC had done to their brainchild, and due to mounting pressure from fans and such, the thing was prematurely canned.


You mean Hiroki "I'm done, go ahead, do whatever you want and I'll just sit here" Hayashi actually got involved in his creation?!  O_o  There's actually a limit for that guy?  Holy hell!  Of course, if he had handled this like the BTTF creators ("It's a flaming SUCCESS?!  Quick!  Round up the actors!  We're gonna make us a sequel!"), then none of this would've happened.  I still say those guys are one of the greatest examples of what to do when you make something so successful that the market demands a sequel.  Even if you didn't plan one one, just like the BTTF guys, make up a cheap excuse and go for it.  If the original creators don't do it, then some executive will hire someone who will, and it's almost guarenteed to be hit with quality loss or just outright suck.  (El-Hazard got both; OAV2 was a lesser story, and AW was ridden with horrid plotholes and other issues.)

Well, Hayashi gets no sympathy from me.  He let it go to hell.  I vow if I ever get a hand in creating something successful, I'll be there to back up all further production.




P.S. Saucer, this is a much better something for us to grab ahold of.  Just saying "They planned, they canned" didn't give us enough to be sure it wasn't just skepticism.
Title: Re: El Hazard OVA 3
Post by: MrWhat on November 05, 2003, 08:08:34 pm
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Well, I mentioned it before and no one really believed me.  ^^; So, I finally mangaed to get ahold of Lord of Nightmares-sensei. And, here's what she says on the matter:

Thanks, Saucer.  I had heard something of this, but it's been awhile.

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The Alternative World pretty much bombed in Japan

Not surprising, but still sad to read.

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In addition to this, Hiroki Hayashi and a few others who weren't involved in the subsequent projects past The Magnificent World condemned what AIC had done to their brainchild, and due to mounting pressure from fans and such, the thing was prematurely canned.

Even more sad to read.  If both the artiste and the fans were agin' the continuation, then the El-Hazard franchise may be well and truly dead.

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this caused him to go mental, reactivating practically every single super weapon that lay dormant across El-Hazard

Kinda sounds like a certain round robin  ^^;

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Oh yeah, and there was another rumor that a new breed of evolved Bugrom was to be introduced in the final season, presumably from the union of Jinnai and Diva.

Kinda sounds like a certain fan fiction (http://www.fanfiction.net/read.php?storyid=1330506).

I've slacked off on the Japanese a bit, the last couple weeks, but I'm still working on it.  I like to think that more could be learned about all this in one of those books, or on a Japanese web site somewhere.  Maybe someday...
Title: Re: El Hazard OVA 3
Post by: Captain Southbird (EHOL Creator) on November 05, 2003, 08:26:40 pm
I'll probably steal most of this.  Just so you know.  It about equated to my theories and ideas anyway.  ;p  "Evolved Bugrom"... I didn't think of that one.  *yoink*
Title: Re: El Hazard OVA 3
Post by: Saucer on November 05, 2003, 10:39:24 pm
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P.S. Saucer, this is a much better something for us to grab ahold of.  Just saying "They planned, they canned" didn't give us enough to be sure it wasn't just skepticism.

I couldn't remember the details! :bawl This first came up, back when I was moderating the El Hazard section at......... LGJ did we have an El-Hazard section at Basilica of Link? I don't recall now. Anyway, it was one board or another.

I've said before, on several boards, that I am very confident that AIC will take another stab at El-Hazard one of these days. It may not be for another 5 years, but it WILL happen. AIC is always resurrecting both their popular and not so popular series in the form of sequels, remakes and such the like. These occur soemtimes a decade or more after the original. Look at all the AIC series that have gotten the sequel/remake treatment; Tenchi Muyo, Bubblegum Crisis, Dangaio, Sol Bianca, Oh My Goddess, even our very own El Hazard has been done and redone. Who needs Hayashi anyway?
Title: Re: El Hazard OVA 3
Post by: Captain Southbird (EHOL Creator) on November 06, 2003, 12:10:33 am
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Who needs Hayashi anyway?


Well, I know I probably wouldn't care.  And to be honest, I guess I really don't.  I'm far too facinated with the characters.  The only thing that made me mad was that Hayashi got all "go ahead, do whatever" and only reacted after they screwed everything up.  It's like, dude, you just told them that you don't care, but now that they messed up, you suddenly do?  You should've done something from the get-go instead of being all macho artist like.

But I dunno.  The only chance we'd have at ressurection is if they believed sincerely that there was money to be made.  Now, I assume the DVD sales were at least remotely positive; at least they rereleased boxsets later suggesting that they're trying to hook all those who put it off meaning there were enough primary buyers of the expensive version.  (People like me.)  OR they had warehouses full and they wanted to get rid of it.  Either way.

Remember, Tenchi Muyo was rediculously popular.  El-Hazard is more of an "in group only" type of title.  It didn't get a lot of merchandise or video games like other popular anime.  In fact, it's one and only VG title was on the quick-death system Sega Saturn, unlike Sailor Moon having like three or five or whatever on the ever popular SNES.

Even so... I suppose the key trick will be some executive seeing a cash cow.  What will make them see it is a good question.
Title: Re: El Hazard OVA 3
Post by: Saucer on November 06, 2003, 12:43:05 am
Well, that goes without saying!  ;D Except for one off projects like Voices From a Distant Star, money makes the anime world go 'round! El Hazard was alot omre popular in Japan then it has been over here in the States. I understand what you mean about videogames, but it's not so easy to judge based solely on that. Sailor Moon has a popularity level that completely transcends comprehension. On the flip side, Evangelion is almost as ridiculously popular as Sailor Moon. Yet, only one Evangelion game comes to mind; Steel Girlfriend. I think there may actually have been another. Although there's actually a sequel to Evangelion coming soon... in the form of a videogame! Another example, Martian Sucessor Nadesico, very popular in Japan. Only had one game on Saturn (too bad the anime flopped over here, it's a good series ^^; ).

So it's really hard to tell. It's up to the studio and producers alike, as well as the fans. Sometimes the fans are the ones that spur a comeback. If it weren't for dedicated fans, Dirty Pair would have died out after the TV series flopped. It was a commercial failure, yet fans pressed the studio to finish the movie that they had abandoned before completion. This not only spawned two more movies, but an OVA series and a remake OVA!

At any rate, I'm confident it will happen someday.  ^^;
Title: Re: El Hazard OVA 3
Post by: Kathy Guinea on November 06, 2003, 06:02:02 am
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 It's like, dude, you just told them that you don't care, but now that they messed up, you suddenly do?  You should've done something from the get-go instead of being all macho artist like.


Heh you said "dude," have you been AIMing Karrie? ^_^

Err anyhow... you see Bob, if he didn't do that, he couldn't join EAI -- Eccentric Artists International.

One of the requirements of joining the EAI is you need to get all pissy about shit when it doesn't go your way-- even if it's your own damned fault! See you gotta blame someone else, cos IT'S NEVER YOUR FAULT! It's all written out in the "Prima Donna Clause" in the EAI handbook.

If you say you're an artist but you're not eccentric, then you're just a poser.
Title: Re: El Hazard OVA 3
Post by: Captain Southbird (EHOL Creator) on November 06, 2003, 11:32:21 am
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Heh you said "dude," have you been AIMing Karrie? ^_^


I notice that had a distinct Karrie-ness to it.  But no, I haven't talked to her through any means in a very long time.

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Err anyhow... you see Bob, if he didn't do that, he couldn't join EAI -- Eccentric Artists International. ... If you say you're an artist but you're not eccentric, then you're just a poser.


Ah, I see, I see.  :P


Oh, and Saucer, I wasn't directly guaging success by video game releases... I just know that VGs are a BIG market.  To produce them based on a show suggests that the execs are positive they can wring you out for more money by going into alternate markets.  It's more of a status, though not a direct correlation to success.
Title: Re: El Hazard OVA 3
Post by: Neil Lafrenais on November 06, 2003, 06:33:29 pm
I still think Hayashi is a genius director, and that it's right he didn't want to do any sequels. Nothing will ever beat the first OAV, and this fact alone proves my point.
Title: Re: El Hazard OVA 3
Post by: Saucer on November 06, 2003, 06:37:29 pm
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Oh, and Saucer, I wasn't directly guaging success by video game releases... I just know that VGs are a BIG market.  To produce them based on a show suggests that the execs are positive they can wring you out for more money by going into alternate markets.  It's more of a status, though not a direct correlation to success.

I dig ya man, I dig ya. But you're right that videogames are a partial litmus test of the sucess of a franchise (any franchise in fact). Other things spawned off of an anime are a good test as well. Like when a manga is created that is based off of the anime (instead of the reverse which is more often the case). We see this with El-Hazard, as well as anime like Big O and Cowboy Bebop.
Title: Re: El Hazard OVA 3
Post by: MrWhat on November 06, 2003, 07:49:59 pm
A few related thoughts.  I think I've said most of this before-- but, as they say, life is the same damn thing over and over.

I think the El-Hazard franchise is dead.  But I would love to be proven wrong.

And I think the best shot at a revival now would be a theatrical movie.

How would I like to see El-Hazard continued?

My first preference is a theatrical movie that is mostly, but not not religiously, canonical, and more dramatic/less wacky than the original series.  I'm thinking of the Ah! My Goddess movie as an example.  And no more "tweener" stories-- I want a movie that takes place entirely after Ifurita's return.

My second preference is a spin-off series (TV or OVA) featuring Afura, Shayla and Kauru.  This, of course, can and should be incredibly wacky.

An OVA3 like the one described earlier is only my third preference  ^^;

And I mostly agree about what has been said about sequels-- but there are a few exceptions.  There are a few creative works that simply should not have sequels, planned or unplanned, end of story.  First example that come to mind is the first The Crow movie.
Title: Re: El Hazard OVA 3
Post by: rowan_a._seven on November 06, 2003, 11:50:43 pm
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There are a few creative works that simply should not have sequels, planned or unplanned, end of story.  First example that come to mind is the first The Crow movie.  


Well, to be fair, the third Crow movie is quite good, in my opinion.

As for a El-Hazard continuation, I agree that a movie would be a good place to start, although I wouldn't insist upon it taking place after Ifurita's return.  One could easily do an entire film about Makoto's devotion to Ifurita as he works to be reunited with her, I'd imagine, or even one of those introspective dream stories (i.e. Makoto wakes up in a hospital in Japan where he's told he has been in a coma for over a year.  Was El-Hazard merely a dream?  Granted, the entire audience will quickly conclude that El-Hazard isn't a fantasy, but using this plot frame to showcase Makoto's love/obsession with Ifurita and the lengths he'll go to be reunited with her could be very engaging, and it would be amusing to see how the El-Hazard natives appear as cameos.).
Title: Re: El Hazard OVA 3
Post by: Saucer on November 07, 2003, 09:10:06 pm
MrWhat, that's a good idea about the movie. I often wondered why AIC never attempted a movie? Of course, the spin-off series with the priestesses is a good idea as well. Sort of like Tenchi Muyo GXP.  ;)
Title: Re: El Hazard OVA 3
Post by: Captain Southbird (EHOL Creator) on November 07, 2003, 09:40:55 pm
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MrWhat, that's a good idea about the movie. I often wondered why AIC never attempted a movie?


Well, they don't have a real good track record here.  :P
Title: Re: El Hazard OVA 3
Post by: dragonprincess on November 07, 2003, 11:06:29 pm
being a long time follower of El Hazard (even have the original tapes) I really hope they make another OAV but well Alternative well ahem, blowed ^^;

I didn't like Quawool, nope, not at all >.< I like the OAV 2 though, Kalia was cool, though I know alot of people don't like her *shrugs*

I'd like to see an OVA 3 and see them matured (but I still want Jinnai the same! Long Live Jinnai!)
Title: Re: El Hazard OVA 3
Post by: Saucer on November 08, 2003, 12:31:25 pm
Hello dragonprincess. Welcome to EHOL! ^_^
Title: Re: El Hazard OVA 3
Post by: dragonprincess on November 08, 2003, 05:10:04 pm
hihi ^_^ ty for welcoming me, I'd like to be a contributor but alot of things you have that I have, hehe

except for my Boys Be Free single ^_^ I was gonna run downstairs and get the mp3s and scan it but um I don't know how to make mp3s from it ;.; I can scan it though!

also downloaded all the artbooks and stuff and can't find this one picture  :-/ I had it before but it's like so rare now, the one with Nahato and Ghalus, where Nahato is bleeding and they're wrapped in a black cloth, it's so cool but impossible to find  :bawl unless i missed it somewhere  ^^;
Title: Re: El Hazard OVA 3
Post by: Tim needs time to work it out on November 08, 2003, 06:17:48 pm
Miss Dragon Princess?

http://www.el-hazardonline.net/El-Hazard/temp/tim/elha29.jpg

Was this what you are looking for?  It's a pretty disturbing image...
Title: Re: El Hazard OVA 3
Post by: dragonprincess on November 08, 2003, 06:40:45 pm
yes! that was the exact one! ty ^_^

yes I know it's disturbing ^^; but it's hard to find any pics of the shadow tribe

i have the boys be free single right with me now so um if like you want me to scan it say so ^_^ (the little cd is so adorable!)
Title: Re: El Hazard OVA 3
Post by: Tim needs time to work it out on November 08, 2003, 06:44:43 pm
Absolutely!  We are ready anytime!

Scan away!   ^_^V

On another topic...

Where is that picture from?
Title: Re: El Hazard OVA 3
Post by: Captain Southbird (EHOL Creator) on November 08, 2003, 08:06:47 pm
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... my Boys Be Free single ... I don't know how to make mp3s from it ;.; I can scan it though!


If you're a Windows user, get dbPowerAmp (http://www.dbpoweramp.com/).  Very easy to use (and free, last I checked, at least without the Power Pack).  If you're a Mac user, I'll have to relay you to Saucer.

But yes, please do scan and rip.  :)
Title: Re: El Hazard OVA 3
Post by: Saucer on November 08, 2003, 09:23:58 pm
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.  If you're a Mac user, I'll have to relay you to Saucer.

I recommend iTunes (http://www.apple.com/itunes/) to both Mac and Windows users. Especially if you have alot of MP3s and are fanatical about sorting and organizing them.  ^^;
Title: Re: El Hazard OVA 3
Post by: dragonprincess on November 08, 2003, 09:26:38 pm
I have to scan it tomorrow now, my brother is using the cpu that has the scanner hooked up to it :p I'll rip the songs tonight though later ^_^

also the picture is from this one japanese cg site, I have the full picture, it has the one in my ava, OAV Ifurita, TV and OAV Rune, then Nanami and Quawool in the backgroud.  the picture is on my cpu upstairs and I can upload it if you want, I forget the page though, it's been a long time  :-[

oh btw, when i'm done ripping where do you want me to upload the mp3s? I don't have a webpage that will take mp3s ^^;
Title: Re: El Hazard OVA 3
Post by: Captain Southbird (EHOL Creator) on November 08, 2003, 09:37:36 pm
You can email them to me (available in my profile or off the front page of the site), or you may FTP into this site like this:

FTP: el-hazardonline.net
User: Spudnik
Password: spud
[case sensitive I think, so careful there]

This gets you into a general junk directory.  Just let me know what the filename and I'll get it out of that dumpster.   ^^;
Title: Re: El Hazard OVA 3
Post by: dragonprincess on November 08, 2003, 09:50:58 pm
kk! will do! but have to download the file you said to first then pray to the computer gods that it works cause my cpu upstairs is a piece of crap >.< (on my mom's laptop right now

update! okay! now I got the mp3s and I zipped them into a file called CleverSingle.zip but um when I tried the ftp (took a long time to come up) when I tried to send it said:
425 Can't open data connection.
Transfer done: 0 bytes in 0.000 secs (0.00 k/sec)

so I guess I'll have to e-mail it ;.; um, what e-mail do I use exactly?
Title: Re: El Hazard OVA 3
Post by: theravenisdead on November 09, 2003, 02:30:24 am
Hey dragonprincess, welcome to the community! Woulda said something sooner but I've been offline since wednesday evening  -_- Anyways, Bonjour!
Title: Re: El Hazard OVA 3
Post by: Kathy Guinea on November 09, 2003, 03:18:07 am
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Hey dragonprincess, welcome to the community! Woulda said something sooner but I've been offline since wednesday evening  -_- Anyways, Bonjour!



Heh and me, I have no excuse!  Cept for the fact that I was working hard this past week nagging students and getting grades ready for progress reports.

Err anyhow welcome to EHOL!
Title: Re: El Hazard OVA 3
Post by: mark_engels on November 09, 2003, 09:43:41 am
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How would I like to see El-Hazard continued?

My first preference is a theatrical movie that is mostly, but not not religiously, canonical, and more dramatic/less wacky than the original series.  I'm thinking of the Ah! My Goddess movie as an example.  And no more "tweener" stories-- I want a movie that takes place entirely after Ifurita's return.



First of all, I was thankful for your posting directing readers of the thread to my work.  Thanks Eric.

Second, I'd like to join welcoming dragonprincess to our forum.  Please feel free to comment on all things El Hazardian or otherwise.

Third, I'd like to weigh in on the OVA continuation discusion.  While I'm sad to have to admit odds are indeed against another OVA being made, I am glad that a good number of El Hazard fictwriters have striven to continue the legacy.  Alan Harnum's "Mortal Engines" was one of my faves until I discovered it was unfinished.  Fellow list member Dooky's "The Shape of Things to Come" can be easily found at ff.net and is a humorous and scintillating read.  

My personal favorite, which has been called by several "what the OVA 3 screenplay ought to be like" is Ken Wolfe's "Earth" series and the "Reunited" side-story.  The main theme centers around Makoto's helping Ifurita discover her humanity again after experiencing centuries of indentured servitude, war, and death.

http://www.mts.net/~kenwolfe/fanfic.html

These stories have the central theme of redemption and perseverance that drew me to the OVA in the first place.  Another OVA continuation I co-wrote with Ken can be found at the same place.  Named "Rough Justice", it's set about twenty five years after Makoto and co. first went through the looking glass.

--me

Mark Engels
Title: Re: El Hazard OVA 3
Post by: theravenisdead on November 09, 2003, 12:29:11 pm
I agree with Mark, It'd be great if the 3rd OAV had a story similar to EH: Earth. I'm partial to a continuity involving Earth to a greater extent than EH did on its own.

Though I admit I like the concept of a spin-off with the priestesses  ;D Woot!  ^_^V
Title: Re: El Hazard OVA 3
Post by: dragonprincess on November 09, 2003, 06:02:54 pm
ty all for welcoming me ^_^

I'd love to see a continuation of the OAV when they're on earth, maybe with Jinnai and Diva and the Bugrom on earth too! ^.^ or maybe a continuation of The Wanderers
Title: Re: El Hazard OVA 3
Post by: Tsukasa on November 09, 2003, 09:48:29 pm
Would be nice if AIC would finish off EL-Hazard with another GOOD OVA.  Maybe when it's 10 years old like Tenchi got before they made a sequel?

If they do one please oh AIC lord let Shayla GET OVER MAKOTO for good thats one of the small things I ask
Title: Re: El Hazard OVA 3
Post by: Captain Southbird (EHOL Creator) on November 09, 2003, 11:06:05 pm
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or maybe a continuation of The Wanderers


I dunno.  See, The Wanderers never really made you want more.  It kind of runs its course and resolves nicely, y'know?  Makoto gets there, Makoto's destiny is fulfilled, he's blasted away, and comes back to Rune.  Everyone realizes how important Makoto is to all of them and everything is set back into order.  Any continuation of the Wanderers is bound to be rather akward no matter what.  :P  El-Hazard "standard" is the one that got hit with premature death in its line (even if the OAV is supposed to "really" be the full, all-out story... but it does leave a large gap available for easy filling.)
Title: Re: El Hazard OVA 3
Post by: tvifurita on November 12, 2003, 02:15:02 am
I'd agree on the OVA thing. Honestly, its really pathetic that they even tried to further the Tenchi syndrome in Alternative world(I so hate that show XD). Shayla should get over Makoto just as everyone else should.
Save Ifurita of course. That is, the OVA one.

Grrrr. ^_^
*is not fond of romantic n-angles*

As for the Wanderers, I'd disagree with the admin =P
Its pretty much the same with the OVA, save the large gap. Nevertheless they could do quite some stuff. Say, introduce elements from the game. =) There is a lot they could do. =) And besides, continue, like, having the TV Ifurita go on random insanity. Or center a series around her. I've always supported that >=3

Thats what the anime sequels are usually about, just take Fumoffu =D
~Alexei

Title: Re: El Hazard OVA 3
Post by: Kathy Guinea on November 12, 2003, 02:38:35 am
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Title: Re: El Hazard OVA 3
Post by: theravenisdead on November 12, 2003, 03:02:05 am
Alexei's here!  ;D Where ya been? hehe jk

N' I agree with Tsukasa, maybe AIC will revive the OAVs like they did to Tenchi. Took nearly a full decade, but they DID finally continue it. I keep my faith that they'll do the same to EH.  ^_^V

Title: Re: El Hazard OVA 3
Post by: tvifurita on November 12, 2003, 04:57:11 am
AIC still has the rights? If I remember correctly, didn't that go to someone else? or was that Tenchi?

Anyhow, a 10 Year special would be nice. That I, too, can agree on, if they actually get it right this time. I don't like OVA2 and TV2 much, both due the lack of, say, the phantom tribe, true Ifurita...

Especially the phantom tribe could be used to do so interesting things, after all. Its a shame that never came to be. They just forgot this group. =/ Although they had such terrible potential. Plots could be done with them easily, they apparently are smart and plan in really really long terms, which can be used really well for a plot...Jinnai's bugrom are beaten anyway, after all. Which was a problem in TV2 and Alt - Jinnai was there, but he had absolutely no point. Which is a real shame. An idea I once had was the phantom tribe attempting to help restore the bugrom empire behind the scenes(not openly of course). There were so many possibilities...giving them access to a demon god, or demons(well considering demon GODS seem to be extremely powerful, its to rationalize that there could be demons, who are much weaker). That'd be their interest, it'd give Jinnai some menace(which he definitely needs).

And it could also bring Ifurina in again. Just like they did in the radio drama. =/

On a side note: Sanks for the welcome, some people probably know me anyway, tho, was a member from some email list and forgot to join here, he he, still being a ditzy Iffy fan XD

Is the avatar too big? If so, I'll bug some people to resize it properly^^
I guess I'll do that, yupyup ^_^
Title: Re: El Hazard OVA 3
Post by: Spanner on November 12, 2003, 08:47:15 am
Alexei! It's so good to see you here at last! My tears... They are flowing like waterfalls! :bawl

Ah, the Holy Grail of OAV3... There are so may ways they could do it right, and so many ways they could do it terribly, terribly wrong...

I agree, a reappearance by the Phantom Tribe would be a good thing. I'd also appreciate it if they could end such an OAV with Makoto finally going to Earth and saving Ifurita - then, I would finally feel that the circuit is complete. While I understand why many would like to see an OAV taking place after Ifurita's rescue, this is my personal desire.
Title: Re: El Hazard OVA 3
Post by: dooky on November 12, 2003, 09:22:00 am
Alexei-chan! (Glomps Alexei in an inappropraitely yaoi outburst) It's been so long... how I miss our debates about robotic maids and the Eurovision song contest ^_^ Wow, so many of the old crew from the EHML are showing up here...

What's the topic? Ah... continuations. It could happen- it's certainly not unlike AIC to resurrect an apparently long dead franchise. The main problem as far as I can see is that El-Hazard would be so bloody difficult to conclude properly. Th cast is enormous (and any new series would doubtless add more characters), and I don't think that an OAV would be sufficiently long to tie up all the loose ends, tell a decent story and do all the characters justice. We'd be looking at something approaching a TV series in length. If you take a look at most of the fanfics that conclude El-Hazard (even the unfinished ones), they're not short.

So while I'd be delighted to see more El-Hazard (and I would in any form, just as Sailor Moon fans are delighted with the new live action series despite freely admitting that it's rubbish), I've come to accept the fact that, more likely than not, there won't be any more. El-Hazard will always be my first love, but I've long since learned to live without it. Now, I've no idea how I'm going to cope when Jungle wa Itsumo Hale Nochi Guu finishes next year...

Title: Re: El Hazard OVA 3
Post by: Captain Southbird (EHOL Creator) on November 12, 2003, 09:53:08 am
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As for the Wanderers, I'd disagree with the admin =P
Its pretty much the same with the OVA, save the large gap. Nevertheless they could do quite some stuff. Say, introduce elements from the game. =) There is a lot they could do. =) And besides, continue, like, having the TV Ifurita go on random insanity. Or center a series around her. I've always supported that >=3


Well, yeah, if you just want to make it "The Wanderers 2: Adventurous Romps in El-Hazard".  Hell, that's what my current very-work-in-progress sort of is.  :P  A game starring Fujisawa actually using common base Wanderers elements... Tim wants a demo by Christmas, so we'll see.  I've been working on a platform game runtime enviornment for the GBA, which has been a hell of a lot of work, but generally successful.  This could be run easily through an emulator on any platform a GBA emulator exists (Windows, MacOS, etc.  The best part I say.   No porting work for me.     ^_^V )  Although I'll probably make a Windows runtime for the same datafiles just for immediate and probably better-sounding music and stuff on Windows.  (... only since I don't own a good enough Mac to work on porting it.)

(http://www.el-hazardonline.net/El-Hazard/temp/rob/fuji7.PNG)
Beware the Marios of Death

Obviously its only running test material right now, but it's good test material nonetheless.
Title: Re: El Hazard OVA 3
Post by: tvifurita on November 12, 2003, 11:37:27 am
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Well, yeah, if you just want to make it "The Wanderers 2: Adventurous Romps in El-Hazard".  


Why "just"? =) These series are, sometimes, really really good. Its debatable if, say, Full Metal Fumoffu is worse than Full Metal Panic - many say its better. And it has NO story and is just "wacky wacko adventures of Sousuke and his girlfriend, pardon, his friend XD

I admit, sometimes such continuations just suck, but if the writers have any competence(as in, say, not sucking like a certain Alternative World Author group who probably ran away after writing the first episode) that won't happen. Its easier to do wacky one shots instead of a big plot. You could do an OVA like that, especially since Wanderers does not have the huge problem  of, well, Ifurita and Makoto = lovers seperated by time and space.

Eeek, warm welcome. I am embarassed. Especially by Dookis outburst. Dooki, weren't you rather a friend of Shoujo-ai? ^^'
atleast thats what my computer said today when searching for this site in google >=3

And spanner, remember, crying demon gods blow stuff up XD Anyhow, I agree. The only fanfic I ever planned to write would end with that, not start. Never got to write it, though, I guess people would hate Iffy's appearance.


Anyhow, yes, Dooky, I think everyone has accepted that there will be no more EH - in fact, some probably argue that its for the better *bites evil people of Alternative World bitebitebittibibite*
Title: Re: El Hazard OVA 3
Post by: MrWhat on November 12, 2003, 07:33:25 pm
Happily enough, I just had my long-needed El-Hazard marathon yesterday (a state holiday).  OVA1 + OVA2 + Alt World non-stop, from about 9:30 a.m. to about 8:30 p.m.

I usually play subs, but I ran the dubs this time, partly because I was working on other things at the same time, and partly because I was sort-of researching for fan fiction.

Anyway, OVA2 and Alt World actually seemed better than I remembered them.  Although, every time Gilda talked about her plans in Alt World, I found myself shouting out loud to nobody, "WHAT plans!?  The Alternative World has no plan!!"
Title: Re: El Hazard OVA 3
Post by: Xel on November 12, 2003, 08:18:39 pm
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I'd agree on the OVA thing. Honestly, its really pathetic that they even tried to further the Tenchi syndrome in Alternative world(I so hate that show XD). Shayla should get over Makoto just as everyone else should.
Save Ifurita of course. That is, the OVA one.


And let us not forget Jinnai. <3



... Hi, I'm Xel. :3

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Alexei-chan! (Glomps Alexei in an inappropraitely yaoi outburst) It's been so long...


...w00t.
Title: Re: El Hazard OVA 3
Post by: Saucer on November 12, 2003, 11:19:56 pm
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AIC still has the rights? If I remember correctly, didn't that go to someone else? or was that Tenchi?

Welcome to EHOL, tvifurita! AIC is the studio that created El Hazard, therefore they totally 0wnZ it, yes. What you may be thinking of is Tenchi Muyo GXP and Pioneer LDC. Pioneer LDC (and their American counterpart Pioneer USA) was the distributor for the Tenchi Muyo franchise. For reasons that were never quite clear, AIC and VAP did not work with Pioneer LDC on GXP (I'm not sure who's distributing OVA3). I don't know who released it in Japan, but that's the reason that GXP is being released over here by FUNimation, and not Pioneer USA.

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Now, I've no idea how I'm going to cope when Jungle wa Itsumo Hale Nochi Guu finishes next year...


Speaking of, I just finished the TV series. And although I absolutely loved it, I was kinda miffed that they just ended it so abruptly with so many loose ends. Does the OVA finish things up? And where can I find the OVA anyway?
Title: Re: El Hazard OVA 3
Post by: Kathy Guinea on November 13, 2003, 02:18:42 am
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(http://www.el-hazardonline.net/El-Hazard/temp/rob/fuji7.PNG)
Beware the Marios of Death


I'm more worried about that very distorted smiley face in the background... I think it's ploting evil...
Title: Re: El Hazard OVA 3
Post by: Tsukasa on November 13, 2003, 04:36:15 pm
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AIC still has the rights? If I remember correctly, didn't that go to someone else? or was that Tenchi?

Anyhow, a 10 Year special would be nice. That I, too, can agree on, if they actually get it right this time. I don't like OVA2 and TV2 much, both due the lack of, say, the phantom tribe, true Ifurita...

Especially the phantom tribe could be used to do so interesting things, after all. Its a shame that never came to be. They just forgot this group. =/ Although they had such terrible potential. Plots could be done with them easily, they apparently are smart and plan in really really long terms, which can be used really well for a plot...Jinnai's bugrom are beaten anyway, after all. Which was a problem in TV2 and Alt - Jinnai was there, but he had absolutely no point. Which is a real shame. An idea I once had was the phantom tribe attempting to help restore the bugrom empire behind the scenes(not openly of course). There were so many possibilities...giving them access to a demon god, or demons(well considering demon GODS seem to be extremely powerful, its to rationalize that there could be demons, who are much weaker). That'd be their interest, it'd give Jinnai some menace(which he definitely needs).

And it could also bring Ifurina in again. Just like they did in the radio drama. =/

On a side note: Sanks for the welcome, some people probably know me anyway, tho, was a member from some email list and forgot to join here, he he, still being a ditzy Iffy fan XD

Is the avatar too big? If so, I'll bug some people to resize it properly^^
I guess I'll do that, yupyup ^_^


^^ I think it might be like Tenchi Pioneer and AIC jointly hold the rights for it until a certain time pass's in Tenchi's case 10 years before it fully becomes AIC's fully 100% thats why the company VAP are spnsoring Tenchi OVA 3 now.  I imagine it should be the same with EL-Hazard
Title: Re: El Hazard OVA 3
Post by: dooky on November 14, 2003, 11:34:10 am
Apologies for veering off-topic, but I do adore Guu...

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Speaking of, I just finished the TV series. And although I absolutely loved it, I was kinda miffed that they just ended it so abruptly with so many loose ends. Does the OVA finish things up? And where can I find the OVA anyway?


The 'Deluxe' OVA certainly continues the series and ties up some loose ends (particularly regarding Weda and Clive) but it's not a conclusion. There's another OVA being released starting in December, called Guu Final, so I assume we might have a genuinine conclusion. But to be honest, Guu never had that much plot and I'm not sure what there is to conclude. There's always the question of exactly what Guu is, but the more I watched the series, the less I wanted to find out. She's just some crazy force of nature with unlimited powers, and I think an explanation would just spoil the fun.

More than one person has hinted at the possibility of romance between Hale and Guu. Personally I think this is a ridiculous suggestion, although it would be damn funny ^_^

I'm afraid I can't advise you on where to get the OVAs- I'm reliant on others for my downloads due to having no internet connection of my own. They'll probably resurface on BitTorrent when the new OVAs start getting subbed. The OVA series does come highly recommended though... it's even funnier than the TV series, the stories are weirder, and there's even a Digi Charat crossover ^_^

Oh, and Alexei... It's true that I'm a yuri fan first and foremost. But a little yaoi never hurt anyone... permanently ^_~

dooky

(sorry, I'll stop scaring Alexei now)
Title: Re: El Hazard OVA 3
Post by: tvifurita on November 14, 2003, 02:23:48 pm
It does hurt me. Believe me, a guy touching me is horrible. Heck, my own hand on my other hand is already nasty and painful XD So yesh, it would hurt me. Permanently. I'd probably desintegrate on the spot. Yes, I tried. My hand is slowly regrowing as I speak, and I did not like that ^_^'

*is scared by you now. Definitely very scared*

I'd not mind if it was Shoujo Ai though. That I like, if its IC(ie NOT certain Azumanga fanfiction on said page, one started so great but halfway Sakaki suddenly had the guts of saying stuff like Tomo did -.-' fanficwriters: Sakaki is not Tomo-chan. No, she really is not), like Yami to Bouchi to Hon no Tababite. Wee <3 (yeah, if you'd cut the stupid fanservice, it'd be perfect. its about the EH fanservice, so not THAT much)

Too bad we have the wrong genders for that ^_~

*stops scaring everyone else away now*

Bwahahaha. Fear my evil. *gives everyone expensive beautiful flowers* MY EVIL IS PERFECT! I STUDIED LONG AND HARD WITH LORD JINNAI'S TEACHINGS AS MY ONLY GUIDANCE!



AAAANYHOW, as for the actual topic(OT only posts are an abomination of nature and vile evil! Yes!)

Yes, let us not forget Jinnai. Yes, thats a comment on OVA3, and also an answer to a posting above. So its PERFECTLY on topic indeed.
Title: Re: El Hazard OVA 3
Post by: Saucer on November 14, 2003, 09:10:20 pm
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Apologies for veering off-topic, but I do adore Guu...


The 'Deluxe' OVA certainly continues the series and ties up some loose ends (particularly regarding Weda and Clive) but it's not a conclusion. There's another OVA being released starting in December, called Guu Final, so I assume we might have a genuinine conclusion. But to be honest, Guu never had that much plot and I'm not sure what there is to conclude. There's always the question of exactly what Guu is, but the more I watched the series, the less I wanted to find out. She's just some crazy force of nature with unlimited powers, and I think an explanation would just spoil the fun.

More than one person has hinted at the possibility of romance between Hale and Guu. Personally I think this is a ridiculous suggestion, although it would be damn funny ^_^

I'm afraid I can't advise you on where to get the OVAs- I'm reliant on others for my downloads due to having no internet connection of my own. They'll probably resurface on BitTorrent when the new OVAs start getting subbed. The OVA series does come highly recommended though... it's even funnier than the TV series, the stories are weirder, and there's even a Digi Charat crossover ^_^

I'm pretty curious to know what Guu is, where she comes from, why she changes into adult form sometimes? And does she maybe have something to do with Hale's grandfather? She seems to have a love/hate relationship with him. Yet, at the same time, it's almost like she's trying to buil character in him. Then again, now that you mention it, maybe it's better not to know?  ^^;

I'm hoping someone will reseed Deluxe at some point. After all, they reseeded the TV series, but that was awhile back. You're probably right, hopefully they'll reseed it when someone starts subbing Final.
Title: Re: El Hazard OVA 3
Post by: Lord God Jinnai on November 15, 2003, 06:39:04 am
Continuation of the El-Hazard franchise is a-okay in my book. If they can bring Dr. Who back after a fifteen-year hiatus, then El-Hazard can come back as well! It just needs the right storyline and a reworking of the main characters.

How about this: the great and powerful Lord God Emperor Jinnai finally attains his destiny as the sole ruler of the entire Multiverse, as well as getting the sheer, infinate pleasure of brutally murdering that simpering, cross-dressing swine Makoto Mizuhara.

Oh, that can be every episode! He'll be like Kenny on South Park, and get horribly killed before the closing credits roll. Think of it! On the first ep, dumb ol' Makoto can fall off a cliff while putting on his namby-pamby dresses. On episode two, he gets set on fire after making one of his goofy inventions. On episode three, he has his belly ripped open by a rabid dolphin bear. On episode four, his face melts! For no reason!

Ha ha... this is a great idea! And we won't have to burden the writers on trying to figure out numerous and creative ways at offing Mizuhara. I got a whole trunk full of ideas back at the hive! Wait till you guys read it, I swear you'll love 'em! There's this one where Makoto gets connected to a wheat thresher by his toes, while his face is painted bright yellow. Then there's this switch that activates a cattle prod...

::gets hauled off by the men in white coats::
Title: Re: El Hazard OVA 3
Post by: tvifurita on November 15, 2003, 07:37:27 am
You mean how you were going on vacation with him? That sounds so much like your evil plots ^_^

You could go visit these amusement parks and go roller coaster and stuff. It'd be so sweet!

Another great idea would be to just let it go easy and go to a park with your sister and him that'd be so much fun and everyone would be happy. So evil.

Sounds good, right? ^^ Just what do you mean with "horribly killing" though? You're not thinking of *blush* hugging?
Title: Re: El Hazard OVA 3
Post by: theravenisdead on November 15, 2003, 08:34:42 am
Oy  ^^;. LGJ's gone off his kilter again  -_-
Title: Re: El Hazard OVA 3
Post by: Saucer on November 15, 2003, 02:39:25 pm
Heh, a remake would be interesting. As long as it wasn't as horribly botched as Bubblegum Crisis Tokyo 2040. O_O;

I was also thinking that a prequel would be interesting as well. Sort of like Macross Zero (prequels seem to be the going trend in anime these days). Something that covered at least part of the ancient holy wars. Including the origin of Ifurita. Yes, more Ifurita is always a good thing.
Title: Re: El Hazard OVA 3
Post by: js_morris on November 15, 2003, 05:26:59 pm
Hmmm.

If'n it were me doing the writing for a third OAV, the first thing I would do is set it a few years ahead and have Ifurita present. I always thought Alternative World was such a cheat, having her in the opening credits but she shows up for maybe, what five seconds in the series?

Getting past the "quest for Ifurita" would resolve several situations--Makoto's made his choice (shades of Tenchi...), Nanami, Shayla and Qawoor will have to accept that and move on, and so on. Of course, you'd have to have a new quest to replace it with.

El-Hazard is a big world, yet we've seen only a fraction of it. I'd like a "road" story of sorts; Fujisawa, much as he probably loves fatherhood, is itchy to do something manly and physically demanding. Nanami might still be trying to figure out what her place in things is, seeing as Makoto is pretty much out of the picture. I think the change in group dynamics regarding the three priestesses might be a bit intense; Afura's borderline arrogance against Shayla's temper and take-charge attitude would certainly cause sparks to fly, and with Qawoor being such a wuss mouse, the third part of the equation isn't there to balance things.

How about this--Rune's received an invitation from another prince to meet and possibly develop a matrimony-based alliance. This would serve as a good wake-up call for Fatora, that it's time to shape up and grow up because Big Sister might not always be around to handle everything. Along the way Rune and her entourage vanish, and it's up to Team Makoto to find her.

And along the way you put Jinnai in there as a reluctant ally against whatever menace there might be...you might have something worthy of a six-episode OAV.

Just my thoughts.

JSM
Title: Re: El Hazard OVA 3
Post by: mark_engels on November 15, 2003, 06:32:48 pm
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Hmmm.

If'n it were me doing the writing for a third OAV, the first thing I would do is set it a few years ahead and have Ifurita present. I always thought Alternative World was such a cheat, having her in the opening credits but she shows up for maybe, what five seconds in the series?

Getting past the "quest for Ifurita" would resolve several situations--Makoto's made his choice (shades of Tenchi...), Nanami, Shayla and Qawoor will have to accept that and move on, and so on. Of course, you'd have to have a new quest to replace it with.

El-Hazard is a big world, yet we've seen only a fraction of it. I'd like a "road" story of sorts; Fujisawa, much as he probably loves fatherhood, is itchy to do something manly and physically demanding. Nanami might still be trying to figure out what her place in things is, seeing as Makoto is pretty much out of the picture. I think the change in group dynamics regarding the three priestesses might be a bit intense; Afura's borderline arrogance against Shayla's temper and take-charge attitude would certainly cause sparks to fly, and with Qawoor being such a wuss mouse, the third part of the equation isn't there to balance things.



Jeff...

Please see my own thoughts on this matter in Reply #29.  I do believe you'll enjoy reading some works from the link there, as they suit many of these same ideas to a T.

--me

Mark Engels
Signal Technician
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Title: Re: El Hazard OVA 3
Post by: Tsukasa on November 15, 2003, 07:41:51 pm
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Heh, a remake would be interesting. As long as it wasn't as horribly botched as Bubblegum Crisis Tokyo 2040. O_O;


Hey 2040 was great  ^_^V Much better than the old BGC with all the chracters much better to.  Plus it was drawn in the style of EL-Hazard as the character designer loved the style of it

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I was also thinking that a prequel would be interesting as well. Sort of like Macross Zero (prequels seem to be the going trend in anime these days). Something that covered at least part of the ancient holy wars. Including the origin of Ifurita. Yes, more Ifurita is always a good thing.



That would be great yeah.  I'd like to have a OVA "Tale of the Priestess's" showing Shayla and Afura how they grew up and what they had to do in priestess training (Aww cute lil Shayla sure was funny back then ^_^ in the wanderers and as most Shayla fans now she grew up into the great beautiful firey Priestess  ^_^V)
Title: Re: El Hazard OVA 3
Post by: Andrusi on November 16, 2003, 07:10:52 pm
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Well, yeah, if you just want to make it "The Wanderers 2: Adventurous Romps in El-Hazard".  Hell, that's what my current very-work-in-progress sort of is.  :P  A game starring Fujisawa actually using common base Wanderers elements... Tim wants a demo by Christmas, so we'll see.  I've been working on a platform game runtime enviornment for the GBA, which has been a hell of a lot of work, but generally successful.  This could be run easily through an emulator on any platform a GBA emulator exists (Windows, MacOS, etc.  The best part I say.   No porting work for me.     ^_^V )  Although I'll probably make a Windows runtime for the same datafiles just for immediate and probably better-sounding music and stuff on Windows.  (... only since I don't own a good enough Mac to work on porting it.)

(http://www.el-hazardonline.net/El-Hazard/temp/rob/fuji7.PNG)
Beware the Marios of Death

Obviously its only running test material right now, but it's good test material nonetheless.

So THAT'S what that was.  You have no idea how baffled I was by the screenshot you posted at random at the MC.
Title: Re: El Hazard OVA 3
Post by: Saucer on November 16, 2003, 11:58:29 pm
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Hey 2040 was great  ^_^V Much better than the old BGC with all the chracters much better to.  Plus it was drawn in the style of EL-Hazard as the character designer loved the style of it

Aside from turning Sylia into an Ifurita clone, I was really disaapointed wih that series. (and people say Bubblegum Crash is bad) What can I say, I'm old school. ^_^;;;