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General => El-Hazard Online => Topic started by: Captain Southbird (EHOL Creator) on October 28, 2003, 11:17:10 am

Title: The Alternative Contributer
Post by: Captain Southbird (EHOL Creator) on October 28, 2003, 11:17:10 am
From Oct 28th newspost:

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Maybe we should whip up a "Test of [El-Hazard] Knowledge" online test as an alternative to becoming a "Site Contributer" through conventional means? I don't want to disclude the honest EH fan folk because they can't think of what to contribute. Okay, forum time...


Many of you guys have been real good about getting contributions to me and you've earned a nice title for yourself.  But right now if you DON'T do that, you get no MP3's.  I'm sure quite a few of our members who register are real deal El-Hazard fans with just no idea of how to contribute stuff.  I know a lot of the stuff I have now I had no idea existed before and we're STILL finding new stuff all the time.  (Plastic figurines?  Ha!)  

Anyway, so I'm thinking for the honest yet unable to contribute among the masses ought to get a fair chance by proving El-Hazard Fan-ness with a test of El-Hazard "fact".  It'll be all multiple choice so that I don't have to "grade" them and it can be automated.  (Unless some of you want to become "test graders" and then things get interesting.   ^^; )  It ought to cover all the things that they should know like "the main young boy character's name is Makoto" or "Fatora and Alielle are lovers in the OAV".  (Even Wanderers-only watchers tend to know THAT fact!)

So I ask you... whaddya think and got any suggested questions?  ;)

Note: For those with contributing pride, they won't get the title "Contributer"; they'd be "Tested Through" or something.  :P
Title: Re: The Alternative Contributer
Post by: Saucer on October 28, 2003, 10:23:29 pm
I think that's a cool idea Rob. Seeing as how you and Tim are so thorough at tracking down stuff, and us forum members have rounded up alot of stuff, I can see someone having a really hard time trying to find something new, short of inventing it themselves (like fanart or fanfics or some such). So, testing their true El Hazard otaku-ness might be a good way to reward them for their dedication to the greatest anime series of all time.

Now, we want them to be members of the community as well, not just leechers right? So I wonder if there's a way for them to only be able to take the test after they've contributed a certain number of posts? Like they automatically get PMed the link to the test? Is there a script you can write that will do that?

If you decide to go with hand-graded (write-in?) tests, I'd be glad to volunteer as a grader. But if you go with automated, multiple choice tests, you could throw in a few gag questions, like; How do you correctly write the name of the new water priestess from Alternative World in romanji?  ;D
Title: Re: The Alternative Contributer
Post by: Captain Southbird (EHOL Creator) on October 28, 2003, 11:31:30 pm
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How do you correctly write the name of the new water priestess from Alternative World in romanji?  ;D


[the new water priestess] blinked. "Oh."

Then [the new water priestess] got the picture. "Oh!"

And then, [the new water priestess]'s eyes went all sad and shiny. "Oh! Mr. Saucer! That's just mean!"


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Now, we want them to be members of the community as well, not just leechers right? So I wonder if there's a way for them to only be able to take the test after they've contributed a certain number of posts? Like they automatically get PMed the link to the test? Is there a script you can write that will do that?


Oh, well, yeah.  That wouldn't be a problem; just latch it onto the script that writes posts in the first place.  (Good ol' "if posts equals threashold" type logic.)  Of course, maybe that would set them for the test, because theoretically they could post several times consisting of only a single character.  :P
Title: Re: The Alternative Contributer
Post by: Makoto Mizuhara on October 29, 2003, 01:35:27 am
*Jason gets the Bright & Shiny Eyes*

Joooooooy...

I think I finally found my calling.  Can one get "Contributor" Status by creating the test?  Single Answer, Multiple Choice, True or False, hell, even questions that require multiple page long essays...

... *cough* ...

Sorry, got a bit ahead of myself.  But in all seriousness, I want in on creating the E.H.A.T.'s.  

And you know I can back up anything I give you.  8)
Title: Re: The Alternative Contributer
Post by: Kathy Guinea on October 29, 2003, 02:31:15 am
Hey Bob not to be picky or weird on you...

But if you're changing the website name... you may want to change the "Select OEG Section" text on the single drop down frame ^_^
Title: Re: The Alternative Contributer
Post by: Captain Southbird (EHOL Creator) on October 29, 2003, 10:27:54 am
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*Jason gets the Bright & Shiny Eyes*

Joooooooy...

I think I finally found my calling.  Can one get "Contributor" Status by creating the test?  Single Answer, Multiple Choice, True or False, hell, even questions that require multiple page long essays...

... *cough* ...

Sorry, got a bit ahead of myself.  But in all seriousness, I want in on creating the E.H.A.T.'s.  

And you know I can back up anything I give you.  8)


Well, you're the only one to offer so far to make the whole test.  So combined with Saucer's thoughts on implementation we could be set.  I trust you certainly Mr. Makoto; you may go do that and get your official contributer stamp.  ;)

Now back to what Saucer's ideas; should it require a bit of posting to prove an initial standing of your personality, and should it be an automated "Okay, you're cool, here's the test", or should it just be a granted right by registration?  Personally, I do like Saucer's idea better only because it kind of requires a bit more on the person's part than just a "cheat sheet".  Speaking of which, it might be good to have more questions than necessary, and the system build a random test each time.


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But if you're changing the website name... you may want to change the "Select OEG Section" text on the single drop down frame ^_^


Oh, right.  Thank you.  :P  *fixes*
Title: Re: The Alternative Contributer
Post by: Makoto Mizuhara on October 29, 2003, 03:42:21 pm
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Well, you're the only one to offer so far to make the whole test.  So combined with Saucer's thoughts on implementation we could be set.  I trust you certainly Mr. Makoto; you may go do that and get your official contributer stamp.    


Aw Yeah, I'm all over that like a hobo on a ham sammitch.  :P

I'll prolly start crackin' tonight.  If you're on AIM, I'll try and catch ya since I have some ideas for layout and stuff, but I wanted to run them by you first.

... and the funny thing is, i have no desire to d/l mp3's (I own every CD anyway.) I just wanna get rid of the Lond's Tag...  ::)
Title: Re: The Alternative Contributer
Post by: Spanner on October 29, 2003, 03:54:32 pm
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Aw Yeah, I'm all over that like a hobo on a ham sammitch.  :P

I'll prolly start crackin' tonight.  If you're on AIM, I'll try and catch ya since I have some ideas for layout and stuff, but I wanted to run them by you first.

... and the funny thing is, i have no desire to d/l mp3's (I own every CD anyway.) I just wanna get rid of the Lond's Tag...  ::)

*Chuckles* 'Fraid yer outta luck, then. The only way to ditch the "Londs' Screen Time" tag is to graduate up to the "Dimension Traveller" by logging (I think) 30 posts or more. Whether or not you're a contributer has nothing to do with it.
Title: Re: The Alternative Contributer
Post by: Captain Southbird (EHOL Creator) on October 29, 2003, 09:02:54 pm
10, 20, 40, and 80 are the threasholds for each level.  So... 20 more.  :P

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If you're on AIM, I'll try and catch ya since I have some ideas for layout and stuff, but I wanted to run them by you first.  


I have a very busy work/school life that keeps me out late ... a lot.  Alternatively you may just wish to use forum PM's.  Certainly not as interactive, but it's a start.   ^^;
Title: Re: The Alternative Contributer
Post by: Saucer on October 29, 2003, 11:13:26 pm
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Oh, well, yeah.  That wouldn't be a problem; just latch it onto the script that writes posts in the first place.  (Good ol' "if posts equals threashold" type logic.)  Of course, maybe that would set them for the test, because theoretically they could post several times consisting of only a single character.  :P

Theoretically, they could do that. But that's what us Moderators and Admins are for. ^_^;
Title: Re: The Alternative Contributer
Post by: Captain Southbird (EHOL Creator) on October 30, 2003, 10:55:09 am
As long as you hold up your part of the deal.  So what's a good post threashold -- 20?
Title: Re: The Alternative Contributer
Post by: Saucer on October 30, 2003, 04:53:28 pm
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As long as you hold up your part of the deal.

:P  ;D

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 So what's a good post threashold -- 20?

I would say 20 or 25 is a sufficient number. So how will I/we grade them (if we go with hand-graded tests)? Do we get carbon-copied the test via PM or email? Email would be best I would think, but PM is good too.
Title: Re: The Alternative Contributer
Post by: Captain Southbird (EHOL Creator) on October 30, 2003, 11:41:39 pm
Well, for now we have "Makoto" produced a multi-choice test.  I think that'll be sufficent enough for now.  (And I get the fun of coding it.)  Maybe we can also have an advanced test for the truly 1337 to take that would feature written answers.  Although that might just be for status rather than just vanilla Contributer-equivalence.  *shrug*
Title: Re: The Alternative Contributer
Post by: Saucer on October 30, 2003, 11:51:38 pm
Yes, but will they be hand-graded or automatically or what? You could probably find a script somehwere, like the one those online quizzes use that everyone makes?
Title: Re: The Alternative Contributer
Post by: Captain Southbird (EHOL Creator) on October 31, 2003, 01:01:23 am
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Yes, but will they be hand-graded or automatically or what? You could probably find a script somehwere, like the one those online quizzes use that everyone makes?


Automatically, I'll make up a system.  I'm expecting the end-user to have a large form submission of radio buttons that are tied to some sort of ID system that submit responses to the attached ID; thus there's no hint on the user's side, but the server checks each ID for the correct response and grades it automatically.
Title: Re: The Alternative Contributer
Post by: Kathy Guinea on October 31, 2003, 02:40:02 am
You may want to make a script that can randomly generate the order in which the questions appear for that user.

You may also want to make it so that you have more questions than is neccessary (i.e. they only have to answer 20 questions, but the script can pick randomly from a set of 50 preprogrammed questions).

I say this because if you create ONE standard test you KNOW someone will set up an El-Hazard cheat sheet somewhere on the net that will allow them and all their buddies automatically pass the test with no effort whatsoever (cept for the 20 required posts in the forum)and leech your many MP3s.

Just a thought...
Title: Re: The Alternative Contributer
Post by: Spanner on October 31, 2003, 08:58:00 am
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You may want to make a script that can randomly generate the order in which the questions appear for that user.

You may also want to make it so that you have more questions than is neccessary (i.e. they only have to answer 20 questions, but the script can pick randomly from a set of 50 preprogrammed questions).

I say this because if you create ONE standard test you KNOW someone will set up an El-Hazard cheat sheet somewhere on the net that will allow them and all their buddies automatically pass the test with no effort whatsoever (cept for the 20 required posts in the forum)and leech your many MP3s.

Just a thought...

??? ??? ???

Just how many people out there do you expect are going to be itching to swipe these MP3's, anyway? I mean, even the people who used to be giving Rob trouble, the ones who'd sign up, download all the MP3's and then scoot, even they were almost certainly El-Hazard fans, right?

Frankly, I don't think putting up a test will help to screen out these people. They know what El-Hazard is, they like the music, but they don't want to be part of the community here. They'll be able to answer your questions and earn the "Tested Through" nametag even if they never come back to your website again.

I think that the best solution is the one mentioned before - wait until someone has posted a certain number of times, then give them the nametag (though probably not "Tested Through" - perhaps something like "Participant"). Make the number reasonably high, like 30 or so, to make it difficult for people to just post a bunch of contentless messages in order to earn the privilege. Don't advertise anywhere on the website that this is what is necessary to activate MP3 access, either - if they want to know, let them come onto the forums and ask. :)

Having a test would be a pointless endevour. The people interested in your MP3's would be able to pass it without any trouble. What we really want is to encourage people to participate, right?
Title: Re: The Alternative Contributer
Post by: theravenisdead on October 31, 2003, 09:05:25 am
I say limit mp3 downloads to those with a significant number of posts on the forum. To keep things in check,  If a member with mp3 privilages havnt posted any new posts for a specific ammount of time, revoke their mp3 privilages untill they make a return and stay around.

Though I'd like ta try my wits at an EH trivia  ;D
Title: Re: The Alternative Contributer
Post by: Makoto Mizuhara on October 31, 2003, 09:26:17 am
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You may want to make a script that can randomly generate the order in which the questions appear for that user.  

You may also want to make it so that you have more questions than is neccessary (i.e. they only have to answer 20 questions, but the script can pick randomly from a set of 50 preprogrammed questions).  


Yep, Me and Robbie already discussed that.  20 Questions from a Pool of 50?!  Ha!  I scoff at that number... SCOFF I tell you!  

My pool is much, much bigger...

Remember, these are the E.H.A.T.'s   You better get a #2 pencil ready....

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I say limit mp3 downloads to those with a significant number of posts on the forum. To keep things in check,  If a member with mp3 privilages havnt posted any new posts for a specific ammount of time, revoke their mp3 privilages untill they make a return and stay around.

Though I'd like ta try my wits at an EH trivia  


I agree with Raven on that one.  Of course, this isn't about the MP3's for me, this is a matter of stumping all of you... *G*  

*cackle's wickedly*

You're all gonna have to work for it...  ^_^V
Title: Re: The Alternative Contributer
Post by: Captain Southbird (EHOL Creator) on October 31, 2003, 09:58:38 am
In that case, perhaps posting is still more important than testing.  But it's two-fold.  See, we have someone on board who has a thousand posts but only has a very minor viewing of El-Hazard -- two episodes of the second OAV I think.  That's of course Lar.  She really doesn't know anything about El-Hazard except facts she picks up randomly and what little she saw in OAV2 1&2.

But arbitrarily, yes, this test thing is still cool even if ultimately it's figured that it's unnecessary for MP3age.  Although I'm pretty sure we can still use it as a secondary device.

Community + Knowledge = MP3s.


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You may want to make a script that can randomly generate the order in which the questions appear for that user.  

You may also want to make it so that you have more questions than is neccessary (i.e. they only have to answer 20 questions, but the script can pick randomly from a set of 50 preprogrammed questions).  

I say this because if you create ONE standard test you KNOW someone will set up an El-Hazard cheat sheet somewhere on the net that will allow them and all their buddies automatically pass the test with no effort whatsoever (cept for the 20 required posts in the forum)and leech your many MP3s.  

Just a thought...


Oh, that's certainly a given!  Makoto over here was promising something like 200 questions, give or take.  But an actual test would build itself and change every time.
Title: Re: The Alternative Contributer
Post by: theravenisdead on October 31, 2003, 04:01:08 pm
Im ready and waiting fer the EHAT's  ^_^V *gets out his sharpened pencils, high-tech space pen, and a box of thumbtacks*
Title: Re: The Alternative Contributer
Post by: Saucer on November 01, 2003, 11:40:27 pm
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Community + Knowledge = MP3s.

Now there's a damn good slogan to keep in mind! I agree totally.
Title: Re: The Alternative Contributer
Post by: Captain Southbird (EHOL Creator) on November 02, 2003, 12:52:08 pm
Eventually instead of the notices about being a contributer, all informational messages will only read "Community + Knowledge = MP3s" and they will be forced to understand.  :P
Title: Re: The Alternative Contributer
Post by: dronealien on November 02, 2003, 03:52:46 pm
Well, here is an idea that is kinda a repeat of one above somewhere, but with small alterations.

How 'bout Admin. Rob check to see how many posts a person has made, and along with that, read to see if the posts sound like they are actual info. instead of blabber, and judge permanent MP3 rights from that. 8)

Or have I spoken too soon? ^^;



Oh and a word of advice........don't drink sugar water. :|
Title: Re: The Alternative Contributer
Post by: Captain Southbird (EHOL Creator) on November 02, 2003, 03:57:05 pm
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Well, here is an idea that is kinda a repeat of one above somewhere, but with small alterations.

How 'bout Admin. Rob check to see how many posts a person has made, and along with that, read to see if the posts sound like they are actual info. instead of blabber, and judge permanent MP3 rights from that. 8)

Or have I spoken too soon? ^^;


That's more or less the current system.  But that's not really fair, now is it?  If you don't post enough, I don't even know you enough to think if you're informant quality.  For example, I don't remember you posting at all.  :P  However, I know Saucer posts a lot and is incredibly informative.  Hell, I ought to just give him a custom group title of "Lead Informant" and let him sit with it.  :P
Title: Re: The Alternative Contributer
Post by: dronealien on November 02, 2003, 03:59:46 pm
Back to square 1. ::)
Title: Re: The Alternative Contributer
Post by: Saucer on November 02, 2003, 09:10:56 pm
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That's more or less the current system.  But that's not really fair, now is it?  If you don't post enough, I don't even know you enough to think if you're informant quality.  For example, I don't remember you posting at all.  :P  However, I know Saucer posts a lot and is incredibly informative.  Hell, I ought to just give him a custom group title of "Lead Informant" and let him sit with it.  :P

*BLUSH* I am but a humble servant of the community. *BOW*  ;D
Title: Re: The Alternative Contributer
Post by: Kathy Guinea on November 03, 2003, 05:32:54 am
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*BLUSH* I am but a humble servant of the community. *BOW*  ;D


:: punts a Mettool in Saucer's general direction so that he may harvest it for its Japanese civil service helmet ::

(http://www.el-hazardonline.net/sarahsensei/images/mettool.gif)
Title: Re: The Alternative Contributer
Post by: Saucer on November 03, 2003, 10:22:33 pm
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:: punts a Mettool in Saucer's general direction so that he may harvest it for its Japanese civil service helmet ::

(http://www.el-hazardonline.net/sarahsensei/images/mettool.gif)

You! With the suspicious looking foreign car! You can't drive that way!

::leads several large trucks into a collision then sets Pedro on fire::
Title: Re: The Alternative Contributer
Post by: Captain Southbird (EHOL Creator) on November 04, 2003, 09:31:24 am
Only because it'll be gone later... (http://www.el-hazardonline.net/El-Hazard/temp/rob/lostlater.JPG)
Title: Re: The Alternative Contributer
Post by: Spanner on November 04, 2003, 10:54:11 am
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Only because it'll be gone later... (http://www.el-hazardonline.net/El-Hazard/temp/rob/lostlater.JPG)

What can I say? I couldn't resist. ;D
Title: Re: The Alternative Contributer
Post by: Lord God Jinnai on November 04, 2003, 06:31:02 pm
Grrr.. Spanner, you dirty cheater! How dare you!
Title: Re: The Alternative Contributer
Post by: MrWhat on November 04, 2003, 07:10:41 pm
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Grrr.. Spanner, you dirty cheater! How dare you!

Do you mean, how dare he post a placeholder message to the round robin, while he works on the next message?  Uh, actually, he picked that up from me, I think.  I'm doing it now myself   ^^;
Title: Re: The Alternative Contributer
Post by: Captain Southbird (EHOL Creator) on November 04, 2003, 11:47:41 pm
I was more noting the Mettool, since I thought Sarah might like to see that he had wandered about.  :P
Title: Re: The Alternative Contributer
Post by: Kathy Guinea on November 05, 2003, 05:11:48 am
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I was more noting the Mettool, since I thought Sarah might like to see that he had wandered about.  :P


That IS highly amusing ^_^ you rule Spanner! Thanks for snapping that Bob!

Go forth little Mettool! Make your journey around the internet until some overconfident robot with a plasma blaster decides to cap your ass! (or a virus decides to corrupt your file... which ever comes first).