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Title: Mini Confirm-Or-Kill (Saucer maybe?)
Post by: Captain Southbird (EHOL Creator) on October 17, 2003, 07:05:41 pm: I remember once a long time ago I heard someone tell me of two El-Hazard references in other animes. I can't remember specifics like which animes or what happened when these references were made. >_< I just thought of them recently and wanted to know if anyone else had heard of either...

* A young girl (?) claiming Katsuhiko Jinnai is her cousin
* Mr. Fujisawa walking in on a scene

There you have it...
Title: Re: Mini Confirm-Or-Kill (Saucer maybe?)
Post by: rowan_a._seven on October 17, 2003, 08:17:32 pm: Both of those references apply to Tenchi spin-offs. Jinnai's cousin is a regular character in "Magical Project S" who apparently plans on conquering the world with her cousin. ;D Her name is Konoha Haida, and if you go to this site http://magicalproject.pioneeranimation.com/ and look under "Main Characters" you'll find her described as:

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Egotistical and mean-spirited, Konoha is one of Sasami's classmates. She often causes trouble for Misao and Sasami at school. Konoha also has a big crush on the unwilling Hiroto Majima, and tries her best to get his attention.

Now, it's never actually stated that Jinnai is her cousin, but the laughing Jinnai apparition with the black bar covering his eyes that appears behind her when she informs Mihoshi-sensei of her intention to conquer the world seems to make that family connection a foregone conclusion.

Also of note is another one of Sasami's classmates called Eimi Date who, in my opinion, bears a remarkable resemblance to child Nanami.

As for Mr. Fujisawa, I believe he's Tenchi's teacher in "Tenchi in Tokyo" and, according to this website http://www.unitedanime.com/nnhp/fujisawa.htm he even has a line.
Title: Re: Mini Confirm-Or-Kill (Saucer maybe?)
Post by: Captain Southbird (EHOL Creator) on October 17, 2003, 09:33:38 pm: Ah, excellent. If anyone actually owns these Tenchis and could get me a screenshot of either or both, you'll be my hero. ^^;
Title: Re: Mini Confirm-Or-Kill (Saucer maybe?)
Post by: Lord God Jinnai on October 18, 2003, 03:57:22 am: Yes, indeed. In Tenchi in Tokyo, Mr. Fujisawa really is Tenchi's college proffessor. I believe he appeared in two or three episodes, and even remarked when Tenchi disappeared: "Gee, he must have fallen into the Magnificent World."

Alas, that was the best part of Tenchi in Tokyo... the rest of the show wanted me to commit multiple murders on multiple people.
Title: Re: Mini Confirm-Or-Kill (Saucer maybe?)
Post by: Captain Southbird (EHOL Creator) on October 18, 2003, 08:27:22 am: Wargh. I want to SEE this. But I don't want to have to go out and buy this. *googles*

Ha ha HA! There's a crappy shot of him.
http://www.el-hazardonline.net/El-Hazard/temp/rob/cap029.jpeg

Man, almost makes me want to buy a little Tenchi in Tokyo simply for the reference.
Title: Re: Mini Confirm-Or-Kill (Saucer maybe?)
Post by: Spanner on October 18, 2003, 12:39:08 pm: Quote
Wargh. I want to SEE this. But I don't want to have to go out and buy this. *googles*

Ha ha HA! There's a crappy shot of him.
http://www.el-hazardonline.net/El-Hazard/temp/rob/cap029.jpeg

Man, almost makes me want to buy a little Tenchi in Tokyo simply for the reference.

Well, I wouldn't recommend buying Tenchi in Tokyo (because it sucks), but Magical Project S is really, really hilarious. :D If you're at all a fan of Tenchi Muyo, and particularly of Sasami, this is well-worth purchasing (especially since you can get the whole series dirt cheap in two collections).

I have both, and I'll try to get quality screenshots of the characters for you, but it may be a while - I'm SOOO busy this weekend...

Incidently, when Fujisawa speaks his line in the dub of Tenchi in Tokyo, it is clear that they weren't able to get the original voice actor (his name escapes me at the moment). The hilarious thing, though, is I could swear that the voice that they DID use is Makoto's voice. Just imagine dub Makoto trying to imitate dub Fujisawa. Not a pretty thought, is it? It's even LESS pretty to listen to. ;D
Title: Re: Mini Confirm-Or-Kill (Saucer maybe?)
Post by: Tim needs time to work it out on October 18, 2003, 12:51:25 pm: ...So we have Eddie Friar (Christy Mathewson) imitating Michael Sorich half-assed?

That's not a good thought.
Title: Re: Mini Confirm-Or-Kill (Saucer maybe?)
Post by: Lord God Jinnai on October 18, 2003, 01:30:50 pm: Well, for the dub, I heard that they did have the Micheal Sorich in the cast. For some reason, though, they didn't have him voicing Fujisawa, but one of the students. They then had Ed Friar voice Fujisawa... ??? I guess they were trying some sort of bizzare inside-joke.

Sure, it makes no sense, but then again neither did most of Tenchi in Tokyo.
Title: Re: Mini Confirm-Or-Kill (Saucer maybe?)
Post by: Captain Southbird (EHOL Creator) on October 18, 2003, 07:08:07 pm: Quote

Well, I wouldn't recommend buying Tenchi in Tokyo (because it sucks), but Magical Project S is really, really hilarious. :D

I don't really want to get into any other series at the moment due to semi-strict financial reasons. No chance anyone actually owns TiT (ooh, bad ancro') and has a method to video clip either of the said situations? ;p ... mur ...
Title: Re: Mini Confirm-Or-Kill (Saucer maybe?)
Post by: theravenisdead on October 18, 2003, 07:12:17 pm: Good ol' AIC, crossover-ing their anime with references to other animes ;D

Now all we need is for Shayla to arrive on Earth as a fellow pirate & friend of Ryoko's in OAV 3 ::) ^_^V
Title: Re: Mini Confirm-Or-Kill (Saucer maybe?)
Post by: executor82 on October 18, 2003, 08:21:32 pm: Quote
Now all we need is for Shayla to arrive on Earth as a fellow pirate & friend of Ryoko's in OAV 3

You're damn right! They would be the perfect team! GO SHAYLA! GO RYOKO!!! ;D
Title: Re: Mini Confirm-Or-Kill (Saucer maybe?)
Post by: Xel on October 18, 2003, 08:38:11 pm: Quote
You're damn right! They would be the perfect team! GO SHAYLA! GO RYOKO!!! ;D

Pfft. Fanboys.

*goes back to her exhaustive search of Jinnai/Makoto yaoi*
Title: Re: Mini Confirm-Or-Kill (Saucer maybe?)
Post by: Saucer on October 18, 2003, 10:18:13 pm: Why does everybody always bunk on Shin Tenchi Muyo? You guys are tools. YOUKAI BUSTAS!!! SPACE POLICE POLICEMAN!!!

Shin TM also had a cameo by Ryo and Yuji from Burn Up W/X. Cameos with-in AIC works are quite common. Kiyonne from Tenchi Muyo, Misao and Ramia from Pretty Sammy can be spotted briefly at the end of Dual Parallel Trouble Adventure.
Title: Re: Mini Confirm-Or-Kill (Saucer maybe?)
Post by: Captain Southbird (EHOL Creator) on October 18, 2003, 10:22:24 pm: Quote

Pfft. Fanboys.

*goes back to her exhaustive search of Jinnai/Makoto yaoi*

Har. Y'know, if there was any to be found, we'll probably be the first to find it. :P (see latest two updates...)

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Cameos with-in AIC works are quite common

I'm not "bunking" on anything, Mr. Saucer. But I am entirely interested in the cameos of El-Hazard characters only because of my profession. :P
Title: Re: Mini Confirm-Or-Kill (Saucer maybe?)
Post by: Saucer on October 18, 2003, 10:46:34 pm: Quote

I'm not "bunking" on anything, Mr. Saucer. But I am entirely interested in the cameos of El-Hazard characters only because of my profession. :P

Just a bit of humor, Rob ol' boy. Take it easy. *pat-pat*
Title: Re: Mini Confirm-Or-Kill (Saucer maybe?)
Post by: Captain Southbird (EHOL Creator) on October 18, 2003, 10:53:08 pm: (http://www.el-hazardonline.net/El-Hazard/images/miscinternetartists/The_Wisteria_Gardens_if_setsubun.jpg)
Title: Re: Mini Confirm-Or-Kill (Saucer maybe?)
Post by: Lord God Jinnai on October 18, 2003, 11:09:42 pm: IFURITA! How many times must I tell you not to go flying around in your underwear while waving that big phallic thing around? It's not very dignified...

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Just a bit of humor, Rob ol' boy. Take it easy. *pat-pat*

Um... did Saucer just grab Rob's butt?!! XO
Title: Re: Mini Confirm-Or-Kill (Saucer maybe?)
Post by: Captain Southbird (EHOL Creator) on October 18, 2003, 11:16:25 pm: Quote
IFURITA! How many times must I tell you not to go flying around in your underwear while waving that big phallic thing around? It's not very dignified...

"Okay, master, I can do it without the underwear (http://www.el-hazardonline.net/cgi-bin/register/eholmemberfile.cgi?getfile=doujinshi/EHHfanart/The_Wisteria_Gardens_if_setsubun_x.jpg;type=jpeg) instead!"

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Um... did Saucer just grab Rob's butt?!! XO

Yes. It was very nice too.

Argh, I'm spamming my own topic. ;p
Title: Re: Mini Confirm-Or-Kill (Saucer maybe?)
Post by: Kathy Guinea on October 19, 2003, 02:58:38 am: Quote
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Title: Re: Mini Confirm-Or-Kill (Saucer maybe?)
Post by: Lord God Jinnai on October 19, 2003, 05:03:58 am: Quote

"Okay, master, I can do it without the underwear (http://www.el-hazardonline.net/cgi-bin/register/eholmemberfile.cgi?getfile=doujinshi/EHHfanart/The_Wisteria_Gardens_if_setsubun_x.jpg;type=jpeg) instead!"

NOOOOOOOOOO!!!

**throws a barrel over Ifurita, hiding her nudityness**

How many times must I tell you? Naked is BAD. Clothing is our FRIEND.

Now put your clothes on you idiot!
Title: Re: Mini Confirm-Or-Kill (Saucer maybe?)
Post by: Saucer on October 19, 2003, 10:10:48 pm: Quote
(http://www.el-hazardonline.net/El-Hazard/images/miscinternetartists/The_Wisteria_Gardens_if_setsubun.jpg)

w00t! Where the heck did ya find that Rob?! It's TV Ifurita dressed as Lum from Urusei Yatsura (not to be confused with the Scottish punk band by the same name)! Very nice! I'm still trying to figure out the club, which is out of character for Lum. Although, the club is usually the weapon of choice for an Oni (Japanese ogre). And Lum is an alien Oni princess after all. But I digress.......
(http://lum-chan.bbox.org/images/lum-5.jpg)

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Um... did Saucer just grab Rob's butt?!! XO

Um... did Lord God Jinnai just make a reference to Night at the Roxbury?!! ;D

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"Okay, master, I can do it without the underwear (http://www.el-hazardonline.net/cgi-bin/register/eholmemberfile.cgi?getfile=doujinshi/EHHfanart/The_Wisteria_Gardens_if_setsubun_x.jpg;type=jpeg) instead!"

Hmmmm........... naw she looks better in the Lum bikini! ;D

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Yes. It was very nice too.

Hush, Robbie-kins. We muthent let anyone in on our thecret!!!
Title: Re: Mini Confirm-Or-Kill (Saucer maybe?)
Post by: Captain Southbird (EHOL Creator) on October 19, 2003, 10:23:03 pm: Well. Hard to say, but I suspect that the Ifurita being clothed at all was an after-effect to someone's hentai. That is, the site displaying the clothed version couldn't allow nudity or something. I don't know that for sure. But maybe.

Either way, you've answered my question about an NES ROM I've had for some good time... specifically, "Okay, that's not REALLY 'Sailor Moon' as the site called it, but who IS it??"

(http://www.el-hazardonline.net/El-Hazard/temp/rob/lum.gif)
Title: Re: Mini Confirm-Or-Kill (Saucer maybe?)
Post by: Saucer on October 19, 2003, 10:46:10 pm: Quote
Well. Hard to say, but I suspect that the Ifurita being clothed at all was an after-effect to someone's hentai. That is, the site displaying the clothed version couldn't allow nudity or something. I don't know that for sure. But maybe.

Either way, you've answered my question about an NES ROM I've had for some good time... specifically, "Okay, that's not REALLY 'Sailor Moon' as the site called it, but who IS it??"

(http://www.el-hazardonline.net/El-Hazard/temp/rob/lum.gif)

:o There was an Urusei Yatsura game for NES?! ::has a fanboy spazz::

While we're on the subject, let me explain briefly. While not her first manga, Urusei Yatsura was manga-ka Rumiko Takahashi's (Ranma 1/2, Maison Ikkoku, Inu-Yasha) first really success work and the one that put her on the map. It's the story of Ataru Moroboshi, the crown prince of anime lechers and Lum the alien princess. Lum's father, Mr Invader, comes to earth and proposes an invasion. In order to stave off this invasion, one chosen individual (Ataru) has to catch Lum. What Ataru doesn't realize is, after he has caught Lum he is now engaged to marry her. Lum can fly, produce powerful electrical shock, and is very, very jealous of her "Darling's" wandering eyes. Needless to say, hilarity ensues. Urusei Yatsura not only contains tons of references to folktales about Oni (ogres) but other Japanese folktales and mythical creatures like Tengu (crow-people). The manga was made into a TV anime series just shy of 200 episodes, 6 movies and 11 OVAs!

Interesting that they dressed TV Iffy in Lum's outfit. She always reminded me of Lum, the way she sort of hovers slowly everywhere she goes, rather than walking.
Title: Re: Mini Confirm-Or-Kill (Saucer maybe?)
Post by: Captain Southbird (EHOL Creator) on October 19, 2003, 11:01:18 pm: Quote
The manga was made into a TV anime series just shy of 200 episodes, 6 movies and 11 OVAs!

Glad and sad I don't have to buy that. Glad because I couldn't possibly afford it at any decent rate. Sad because I like having stuff to look forward to buying. Let's face it; I've pretty much bought El-Hazard for all its worth. I've got some VHS tapes and a Wanderers LD 6 on the way, but it's not like it's something new.
Title: Re: Mini Confirm-Or-Kill (Saucer maybe?)
Post by: Neil Lafrenais on October 20, 2003, 06:32:48 am: ;) Guys, trying to get Rob to watch Tenchi is like draining blood from a stone.

I've been trying for YEARS to get him to watch the Hayashi directed 1st OAV (aka, the only outstanding one).
Title: Re: Mini Confirm-Or-Kill (Saucer maybe?)
Post by: Captain Southbird (EHOL Creator) on October 20, 2003, 09:29:14 am: Quote
I've been trying for YEARS to get him to watch the Hayashi directed 1st OAV (aka, the only outstanding one).

Be fair. This site has only been around maybe 1 1/2 years, and that's the only amount of time we've been in contact in this manner, not "YEARS". ;p

Anyway, isn't Washu voiced by the same VA as Shayla in the English Dub? (Or am I confusing the Japanese one...) Simple things like that will make me concider buying it. ;)
Title: Re: Mini Confirm-Or-Kill (Saucer maybe?)
Post by: Spanner on October 20, 2003, 10:00:31 am: Quote
I don't really want to get into any other series at the moment due to semi-strict financial reasons. No chance anyone actually owns TiT (ooh, bad ancro') and has a method to video clip either of the said situations? ;p ... mur ...

Erm, I DID say I'd get these screencaps for you. In the very post that you quoted, in fact. -_- Which KINDA implies that I own the series (though, I guess, not necessarily). As for actual video clips, I'll see what I can do. Before my computer crashed, I'd FINALLY managed to figure out what eldrich rituals were required to get my video card's perplexing video capture function to work. Now, though, pretty much everything's been reset to zero, again, and we'll have to see how much I can recall.

I own TiT on VHS tape. In spite of my harsh dismissal of it earlier, I actually kinda sorta liked it. As long as I tried NOT to think of it as a Tenchi release, and think of it instead as an independent story on its own. It was the only way that I could stand the way that the entire cast's personalities and characters were BUTCHERED. XO

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Anyway, isn't Washu voiced by the same VA as Shayla in the English Dub? (Or am I confusing the Japanese one...) Simple things like that will make me concider buying it. ;)

No, but if the lore is to be believed, IFURITA is voiced by the same VA as Washu in the English dub. They sound quite different, though, so either K. T. Vogt is very versatile, or the lore is wrong. I'm quite willing to believe either way.
Title: Re: Mini Confirm-Or-Kill (Saucer maybe?)
Post by: Captain Southbird (EHOL Creator) on October 20, 2003, 10:09:37 am: Quote

Erm, I DID say I'd get these screencaps for you. In the very post that you quoted, in fact. -_-

O_o ... how'd I meeseet... sorry, Spanner. I get weird about things when they're still a brand-new novelty. :P

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As long as I tried NOT to think of it as a Tenchi release, and think of it instead as an independent story on its own. It was the only way that I could stand the way that the entire cast's personalities and characters were BUTCHERED. XO

That's the way to go about it, man. When a new series comes out that screws over the others, just think it's an alternate universe or something.

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No, but if the lore is to be believed, IFURITA is voiced by the same VA as Washu in the English dub. They sound quite different, though, so either K. T. Vogt is very versatile, or the lore is wrong. I'm quite willing to believe either way.

Hmm. I knew it was something like that. Well, I dunno. I was using it as a base example. I'm still not convinced to buy Tenchi. :P I saw episode 1 via Neil and ... it just didn't grab me. And El-Hazard grabbed me from the Habba Habba Zoot Zoot music video which eludes NOTHING. So ... there's power lacking here.
Title: Re: Mini Confirm-Or-Kill (Saucer maybe?)
Post by: Neil Lafrenais on October 20, 2003, 06:49:15 pm: It doesn't really help that I sent you the first episode in the form of a shitty 16mb RM either. Now that I have cable, maybe I'll encode a 150mb avi or something.

[leans back] Mm. I suppose the big problem with Tenchi Muyo! Ryoohki is all the REALLY good stuff happens in the second half of the 6 episodes. For example, episode 4 has become some what of an animé classic, with the [SPOILERS] whole bath house scene. It's definitely what got me hooked to the series. And, of course, the final 2 episodes is action-packed space adventure all the way [/SPOILERS].

Then, of course, they had to cash cow it like mad... ;p
Title: Re: Mini Confirm-Or-Kill (Saucer maybe?)
Post by: Saucer on October 20, 2003, 09:22:07 pm: Quote

Glad and sad I don't have to buy that. Glad because I couldn't possibly afford it at any decent rate. Sad because I like having stuff to look forward to buying. Let's face it; I've pretty much bought El-Hazard for all its worth. I've got some VHS tapes and a Wanderers LD 6 on the way, but it's not like it's something new.

Weeeeellllllllll.... AnimEigo (http://www.animeigo.com/Products/UY.t) is letting the VHS tapes go for $9.98 a piece, four eps per tape. Did I mention there were 25 volumes? ^^;;;;

As far as Tenchi goes Rob, I highly recommend you check out the first TV series; known as Tenchi Universe in english. As an El Hazard fan, I really think you'll enjoy it much more than the OVA. Sure, Hayashi was on the staff of the first OVA production. But the TV series is a much tighter, much more complete and solid story. Just like the first El Hazard OVA. The TM OVAs are good for laughs, but they just seem to random and loosely organized when compared to TM TV. Of course, I saw the TV series before I saw the OVAs, so it kind of upped my expectations. I went into the OVA thinking I was going to get something comparable to the El Hazard OVA. Alas, it was something quite different.

If and when you're ready to plunk down the bread for this series though, you're probably better off finding it on eBay or buy.com or something. Otherwise, expect to pay up to $180 if you get it from somewhere like amazon.com ^^;

EDIT: Another series I think you'd really enjoy (and you wouldn't actually have to buy it) is Scrapped Princess. If you have a spare 4GB on your harddrive, and the patience to download 24 episodes then the venture is totally worth your time. The series starts of seemingly like a fantasy anime, but then evolves into something a bit different. Yes, a bit of a fantasy/science fiction corssover like El Hazard. And Shizu is very much like Ifurita in her situation. If you're keen on snapping it up before it gets licensed (recommended), you can get the entire series in a pack on Bit Torrent from http://a.scarywater.net/akeep/ or individual eps from http://www.h3r0.net/torrent.shtml
Title: Re: Mini Confirm-Or-Kill (Saucer maybe?)
Post by: Lord God Jinnai on October 21, 2003, 01:29:44 am: Yes, the Tenchi Muyo tv series 1 is definately the best Tenchi out there. It starts off slow, but by the third episode, you'll be hooked. As Saucer said, the story's a lot tighter than the OAVs, the character development is better thought out, not too much fanservice (which is always a plus), no quasi-incest (Ayeka and Tenchi are not blood related in this one), you get a much cooler villain, and, perhaps the best reason, is this is the version Kiyone is in.
Title: Re: Mini Confirm-Or-Kill (Saucer maybe?)
Post by: Neil Lafrenais on October 21, 2003, 01:40:58 am: Ugh? Tighter? The thing is 26 episodes long! There's nothing "tight" about it.

Plus, the incest stuff was interesting.

A much cooler villian? I'm sorry, but no. Just no. The OAV Kagato wipes the FLOOR with Universe Kagato. Easily. The whole look of the character is extremely generic in Universe. In the OAV, it is inspired, not to mention he has an excellent dub voice.

And Kiyone? She gets annoying after a while ;) And she destroys the relationship between Washu and Mihoshi.

Don't be misled, Rob. The first OAV series is definitely the better one. I would make big valid points on this matter, but it's 7:44am, so that's a no no. In short though, the following is better:

- Animation (It's an OAV)
- Action
- Music (Yes, it's the same as with EH. Most of the Universe only tracks are rather goofy.)
- Storyline (This is the "tight" story. It tells a great story in no less than 6 episodes.)

The only thing I can think of that is better in Universe is a few of the invidual lines and moments that could have been better realised in the OAV. Er, I can't think of any now (been ages since I watched Universe all the way through), but I'll add some later.
Title: Re: Mini Confirm-Or-Kill (Saucer maybe?)
Post by: theravenisdead on October 21, 2003, 07:44:07 am: I hafta side with the OAVs, I found them to be overall more enjoyable than Tenchi Universe(Though admittedly I have only seen the first 10 eps of it) The animation is better, and Ayeka seems to be treated better in it as well. And of course, Ryo-ohki gets the chance to become a human ^_^V Can't beat that eh?
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Title: Re: Mini Confirm-Or-Kill (Saucer maybe?)
Post by: Captain Southbird (EHOL Creator) on October 21, 2003, 08:03:13 am: O_o

"OAV!" "No, TV!" "No, go OAV!" "TV, man!"

Mmmff... I'll think about this if I ever choose to spend money on it. If either Tenchi hooks me I'd probably buy the other. But for right now... money is reserved. :-X
Title: Re: Mini Confirm-Or-Kill (Saucer maybe?)
Post by: theravenisdead on October 21, 2003, 08:09:42 am: I only own the first 3 volumes of Tenchi Universe on VHS. As for the OAVs, I have 12 of the 13 eps on my computer. Money is beyond tight with me (more like non-existant... for now)
Title: Re: Mini Confirm-Or-Kill (Saucer maybe?)
Post by: theravenisdead on October 21, 2003, 09:05:09 am: On another note, K.T. Vogt does do both Washuu and Ifurita. Didn't see that coming I must say ;D
Title: Re: Mini Confirm-Or-Kill (Saucer maybe?)
Post by: MrWhat on October 21, 2003, 07:57:41 pm: Neil: OVA
Saucer: Universe
LGJ: Universe
SR: OVA
Mr. What: Universe ^^;

I like them both, but I like Universe a little more than the OVAs. The problem I have with the OVAs is that, most of the time, I don't know what the heck is going on. There's so much back-story in the story that I have to take notes. Maybe that's just me. Or maybe I just need to watch them a few dozen more times.

Anyway, I find Tenchi Universe to be quite the opposite of the Tenchi OVAs. I find it to be kinda slow in places, especially in the first half of its run. But it's just as amusing, and its story is much more coherent, and it has more of a WAFF. And poor long-suffering Kiyone is one of the best "straight-man" characters ever.

I'd agree that OVA-Kagato beats Universe-Kagato. OVA-Kagato's space craft was kewl.

I've only seen the first episode of Tenchi In Tokyo, and maybe I had too-low expectations, what with so many people panning it-- but I liked it. But I think I'd need a box set or a bundle deal to buy it. I haven't shopped extensively for it, but for an unpopular 8-DVD catalog title, I've found it to be way too expensive.

Rob, if you're open for recommendations? Photon. A six-episode OVA on a single DVD. No sequels or alternate versions. It's practically a clone of El-Hazard in places, but it holds up well as its own story in the end. And it's very, very, very funny. It's even funnier than Excel Saga is supposed to be :P
Title: Re: Mini Confirm-Or-Kill (Saucer maybe?)
Post by: Captain Southbird (EHOL Creator) on October 21, 2003, 08:35:11 pm: Quote
Rob, if you're open for recommendations? Photon. A six-episode OVA on a single DVD. No sequels or alternate versions. It's practically a clone of El-Hazard in places, but it holds up well as its own story in the end. And it's very, very, very funny. It's even funnier than Excel Saga is supposed to be :P

I actually HAVE seen I think two (or was it four?) episodes of this at the local anime con that had come by some time ago. I agree. THAT is an anime I really need to pick up. ;D (I think it was four, it was kind of a straight shot that I just sat there and watched them on end out of boredom.)
Title: Re: Mini Confirm-Or-Kill (Saucer maybe?)
Post by: Tim needs time to work it out on October 21, 2003, 09:02:31 pm: Yeah, I saw four episodes of Photon (with Rob). He was bored and he asked, "You wanna see something with me?" I was finished up with playing video games there (people who know me would be saying, "Go figure"), so I went with him.

Yeah, it was funny.
Title: Re: Mini Confirm-Or-Kill (Saucer maybe?)
Post by: Saucer on October 21, 2003, 09:19:34 pm: So general consensus has The TV series leading 3-2. Anyone else care to add? ;D

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The problem I have with the OVAs is that, most of the time, I don't know what the heck is going on. There's so much back-story in the story that I have to take notes. Maybe that's just me. Or maybe I just need to watch them a few dozen more times.

That's exactly the problem I have with the OVAs as well. It's like following a stone that's being skipped over a pond chock full of beautiful, colorful fish. Wait, what?! What was that just now? How many months passed between this episode and the last? -_- It's just too rushed and lacking. That's fine for an OVA made from an existing manga or videogame, where you're supposed to already be familiar with the story before you get into it. But for a brand new story, it's pretty poor.

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Rob, if you're open for recommendations? Photon. A six-episode OVA on a single DVD. No sequels or alternate versions. It's practically a clone of El-Hazard in places, but it holds up well as its own story in the end. And it's very, very, very funny. It's even funnier than Excel Saga is supposed to be :P

Yes, Photon as a Grade A classic that shouldn't be missed! I love the way it shifts from silly to super-dark and serious Noh Theater style towards the end.

Another series I think you'd enjoy Rob is Dual Parallel Trouble Adventure. 14 eps on 4 DVDs. Masaki Kajishima (Tenchi Muyo) created it and AIC produced it. It's known to fans in Japan as Shin Tenchi Elhazelion, for it's parallels to and light parodies of El Hazard, Tenchi Muyo and Shin Seiki Evangelion. All I can say is, with alternative worlds and love trianlges, how can you go wrong?
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Post by: Spanner on October 22, 2003, 08:19:44 am: Quote
So general consensus has The TV series leading 3-2. Anyone else care to add? ;D

As long as we're voting...

Tenchi OAV all the way for me, baby.

It has been argued that there's way too much story crammed into too small a space, but the same can be argued for El-Hazard. But what REALLY makes the Tenchi OAVs stand for me is the characters. The characters in the OAV had layers upon layers of depth to them (even Mihoshi!). All of them had many sides to their personalities, and all of them were sympathetic characters to one degree or another.

Not so with Tenchi Universe. In Tenchi Universe, they took the predominant characteristics of their OAV counterparts and made them the ONLY characteristics that the characters possessed. In the OAVs, Ryoko was a brash, arrogant space pirate on the outside, but inwardly was a wounded woman recovering from a long lifetime of abuse and slavery, with a good heart but no experience as to how to express it. In Universe, Ryoko was a brash, arrogant space pirate. In the OAVs, Ayeka was a spoiled, domineering princess on the outside, but inwardly was a kind, loving person who was hurting becuase she had lost the man that she loved. In Universe, Ayeka was a spoiled, domineering princess. In the OAVs, Mihoshi was naive, bubbleheaded, and clumsy, but possessed a thoroughness and devotion to duty that overcame these obstacles time and again (much to the surprise of friends and superiors alike), with a lucky streak a mile wide. In Universe, Mihoshi was naive, bubbleheaded, and clumsy.

And so on. Frankly, I felt very sorry for Tenchi, having to put up with these annoying, one-dimensional women - and worse, having to face the possibility that he might actually have to MARRY the petty, self-centered Ryoko, or the possessive and bitchy Ayeka.

Sure, there's aspects to the OAV series that you practically have to be the director to know about, but not knowing these things does not diminish the enjoyability of the series (at least, not in my opinion). Tenchi Universe may spell more of the mysteries out, but that's in large part due to the fact that it was intended for a much more general audience. To me, it feels drier and more simplistic than the OAVs - EXACTLY as the Wanderers feels drier and more simplistic than El-Hazard OAV.

And, like the Wanderers, I enjoyed Tenchi Universe. The stories were interesting, I liked the new character Kiyone, and everything tied up relatively neatly in the end. But, like El-Hazard, I'll always consider the original OAV to be superior material, with more depth, better stories, and better animation.

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Another series I think you'd enjoy Rob is Dual Parallel Trouble Adventure. 14 eps on 4 DVDs. Masaki Kajishima (Tenchi Muyo) created it and AIC produced it. It's known to fans in Japan as Shin Tenchi Elhazelion, for it's parallels to and light parodies of El Hazard, Tenchi Muyo and Shin Seiki Evangelion. All I can say is, with alternative worlds and love trianlges, how can you go wrong?

I ranted about this series at length on the El-Hazard mailing list. :P This was a series that I absolutely ADORED for the first several episodes, but was annoyed by the way it seemed to unravel during the final episodes. I'll not go into specifics, but I considered this anime to be a big disappointment, all told. (I will say, though, that Mitsuki Sanada is probably the prettiest anime girl I've ever laid eyes on. ;D)
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Post by: theravenisdead on October 22, 2003, 04:02:59 pm: Now I feel compelled to see Photon ;D so I will!
If its even half as good as you guys say it is, I'll be sold ^_^

Of course, I have a long list of anime I wanna see in the near future. like Twelve Kingdoms, Vandread, the rest of the Sakura Wars TV saga (as well as the motion picture) as well as some others. But I'll up Photon into the top 5 ^_^V
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Now I feel compelled to see Photon ;D so I will!
If its even half as good as you guys say it is, I'll be sold ^_^

Of course, I have a long list of anime I wanna see in the near future. like Twelve Kingdoms, Vandread, the rest of the Sakura Wars TV saga (as well as the motion picture) as well as some others. But I'll up Photon into the top 5 ^_^V

Twelve Kingdoms looks really cool. I'll probably be picking it up at some point. My only beef with the Sakura Wars movie is, Pioneer only seems to be releasing one version; the special edition with a bunch a "collectable" pencil boards and it's like $36 or something. -_-
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Post by: theravenisdead on October 24, 2003, 08:00:55 am: Quote
Twelve Kingdoms looks really cool. I'll probably be picking it up at some point. My only beef with the Sakura Wars movie is, Pioneer only seems to be releasing one version; the special edition with a bunch a "collectable" pencil boards and it's like $36 or something. -_-

I remember seeing the Sakura Wars movie available from ADV Films as a normal DVD release. *shrugs* Maybe not.

Thirty-six bucks wouldnt be too bad, (if it was in Canadian :-/ ) The average anime DVD here costs between as low as 36 bucks, to as high as 60 bucks for special editions. each. Average is between 36 and 50 bucks (all prices are Canadian of course). Though that doesn't keep me from buying anime left and right ::) ^_^V
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Post by: theravenisdead on October 24, 2003, 09:27:12 am: Quote
I remember seeing the Sakura Wars movie available from ADV Films as a normal DVD release. *shrugs* Maybe not.

Hmm, looks like I was wrong about the SW Movie being on ADV's release list. Bah. Did a quick look over at ADVs new releases, as well as their DVD list.

Though on the plus side, Volume 5 of the TV series is coming out next month ;D Though the anime store I buy my stuff from only just got the 3rd volume in their stock recently. Bah again. -_-

http://www.sakurawarsdvd.com/press/index.shtml
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Post by: Saucer on October 24, 2003, 07:35:58 pm: Pioneer got the rights to, and recently released, the Sakura Wars movie for some odd reason. It looks really cool though. I wonder if it's better to wait until I've seen all of the TV series first?

If I'm remembering correctly, the SW movie debuted in Japan a couple years back and was playing with Slayers Premium, the Di Gi Charat movie and one or two other short films. That was back when I was on the AnimeNation forums, and it definitely was a "gawd I wish I had a plane ticket to Japan" time. ^_^;