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General => El-Hazard Online => Topic started by: dooky on June 24, 2003, 04:50:26 am
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Right now, I have a sheet in front of me with the Japanese lyrics to Boys Be Free. Yes, tonight is karaoke night at the Warwick Anime Society, and despite being cursed with a voice several octaves lower than the lovely Kozakura-san, I'm going to give it my best shot (I feel it's my duty as the society's chief yuri advocate). So bering in mind the horror that my fellow anime fans will have to endure tonight, which El-Hazard song would you choose to delight and/or traumatise your friends?
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Heh. I seem to remember reading somewhere that the literal translation of the Japanese lyrics for "Boys Be Free" are rather less suggestive of yuri than the English version, "Back in Love". Shouldn't you be singing that, instead? ;)
And it's tough to find a song more suitable for traumatizing your friends then either "Boys Be Free" OR "Back in Love". Still, I'd probably go with "Clever", the English version of the closing theme to "The Wanderers", which is at least as kitschy, and has the added bonus of sticking around in your head for days after hearing it! Ah, yes, what a great way to transform close friends into hated enemies... :P
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I personally always liked Illusion (especially since I worked on the Sega Saturn project which uses it as an ending song), that's a favorite of mine. Not very traumatizing though.
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Well, the difference is that Back in Love isn't gender specific, whereas Boys Be Free is being sung to a boy (the message being that she wouldn't mind if he was a girl). Actually, interpretation of the song kind of varies depending on which translation you believe. Besides, I'll have the end theme's graphics playing behind me, which are ridiculously yuri even if the song isn't ^_^ I don't think I'm quite cruel enough to inflict the English version on people though...
Incidentally, if you think Boys Be Free is inappropritae for a lesbian character, the end theme to that masterpiece of yuri psycological fanservice, Miyuki-chan in Wonderland, has an even more confusing end theme. Miyuki spends the entire anime in a fantasy world populated by lesbians, and the end theme is... about stealing someone else's boyfriend? Well, that's CLAMP for you ^_^
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Kashimashi Shugyou, definately that one is my favorite. If I only had to choose one EH related song...
That or 13 gatsu no kakumei...
Seeing as Karaoke is the only actual con-related activity I still participate in actively at cons, with the occassional panel (mainly if I'm on said panel).
You name it, Jrock, Jpop, Eurodance, Japanese lyrics, English Lyrics, etc; I've prolly done it at a con.
Which has led to some interesting stage shows... ;)
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Well, OF COURSE 13 Gatsu no Kakumei. ;p
Nothing of Alternative World has grabbed Neil save for that song... I don't think anyone couldn't like it.
But truth be told I'd respect Japanese lyrics of the EH musics much better if I'm given a translation for them. Nothing scares me more than to not know exactly what Gold Finger is about, knowing it's "Fatora" singing, even though I love the song itself. (Why karaoke of that is quite handy.)
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I sing along with Jinnai's song (at original pitch) and Afura's song (an octave lower) fairly often, while I'm driving. Probably at least once a week. But I've never tried to karaoke them.
I've only done bar karaoke a few times. I don't usually go to bars, and the karaoke DJs in central Illinois have two kinds of music-- country and Western :P
On a sort of related note, this story is making the blogs:
Killer song claims another victim in Caloocan KTV bar (http://www.manilatimes.net/national/2003/jun/24/top_stories/20030624top6.html)
But truth be told I'd respect Japanese lyrics of the EH musics much better if I'm given a translation for them.
I'm still working on my translations of Jinnai's song and Afura's song. Give me just another few weeks.
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Definatly 13 gatsu no kakumei it got stuck in my friends head for about a week lol much so he had to borrow my Alt world CD just to listen to it
I myself prefer the OVA2 intro theme and OVA1 intro though that has no words :P
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I'm still working on my translations of Jinnai's song and Afura's song. Give me just another few weeks.
Just Jinnai's song will make you my hero for life. Afura's is bonus though.
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Ah, 13 Gatsu no Kakumei- a classic. The other EH song that is truly great is Love Mania. It's one of the few redeeming features of Alternative world Ep 13... well, that and Alielle and Fatora's bikinis ^_^
Incidentally, karaoke went quite well, and ended with everyone singing Soramimi Cake from Azumanga Daioh...
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It's one of the few redeeming features of Alternative world Ep 13... well, that and Alielle and Fatora's bikinis ^_^
You call those "bikinis"? They're like halfway to leather dominatrix suits. :P
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I liked Illusion but if I had to go with a favourite El-Hazard song, it'd be the Opening Theme to Alternative World... That song has something about it that I like, I can't put my finger on it.
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If there's an El-Hazard vocal song that I've sung time and time again, it's "Back in Love". Loudly. Insanely out of tune. To male friends... Yeah, I have issues.
And, yes, one day, I will record my hideous singing to the karaoke version of Boys Be Free found on the 6CD boxset. And yes, dear viewer, I will plaster it all over the site. Oh yes.
However, more seriously, I'd definitely have a bash at singing "Overflowing" (English) in tune. I love the general feel of the song, and the lyrics only add to this.
Of course, all the vocal tracks kinda suck when compared to Seikou Nagaoka's beautiful instrumental score, but hey, whatever. ;)
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the Opening Theme to Alternative World... That song has something about it that I like, I can't put my finger on it.
Yup. In case you didn't know, that's "13 Gatsu no Kakumei" ("13th Month Revolution" I think is the rough translation of that)
Of course, all the vocal tracks kinda suck when compared to Seikou Nagaoka's beautiful instrumental score, but hey, whatever. ;)
Amen. :P
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Goldfinger! LOL
I hear, at Fanime they give an award to the person who goes off the most at karoke. It's two superballs in a little bag. ;D Dom from www.megatokyo.com won it this year.
Chiisana Hana is my favorite ending, for reasons you can probably imagine. ^_^; Wow, I still couldn't believe when I downloaded it, that track is over 30 minutes long. Yuri Amano rules!
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Chiisana Hana is my favorite ending, for reasons you can probably imagine. ^_^; Wow, I still couldn't believe when I downloaded it, that track is over 30 minutes long. Yuri Amano rules!
Heh, no, um... I'm assuming you have mine. Per Neil's request, many of the MP3's are VBR which causes hell in most players which greatly overestimate the time. (Do they only use the first bitrate they find and assume? Cause you know about "assume"...) Point is, it's not REALLY 31 minutes... WinAmp recalculates it to be about 6:39. :P
(http://www.el-hazardonline.net/El-Hazard/temp/rob/CHII.png)
VBR's cause problems in most basic length calculations
Actual track length is about 4:58. So not even WinAmp can quite dig through the complexity. :P
I remember I fell into the same trap once with "The Conqueror Jinnai"; one I downloaded before I got the soundtracks claimed length of about 15 minutes and I thought "Wow, they can just keep on going about Jinnai..." XD
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;) That only happened because you accidentally did them wrong (which is understandable as dbPower's converter is for the mp3 pros :|). You can't pin this on me, man! [scuttles away hurriedly]
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I remember I fell into the same trap once with "The Conqueror Jinnai"; one I downloaded before I got the soundtracks claimed length of about 15 minutes and I thought "Wow, they can just keep on going about Jinnai..." XD
But who can't? I mean, come on.
It never fails to amaze me how good a singer our loveable dictator-in-training is. :P Okiayu really outdid himself with "The Conquerer Jinnai"... ;D
o/~Todoroke ware koso... Jinnai Katsuhiko~...o/~
I thought of karaoke-ing it once, but it just doesn't carry the same weight that it normally does when sung an octave up by a petite teenage girl. :P
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Heh, no, um... I'm assuming you have mine. Per Neil's request, many of the MP3's are VBR which causes hell in most players which greatly overestimate the time. (Do they only use the first bitrate they find and assume? Cause you know about "assume"...) Point is, it's not REALLY 31 minutes... WinAmp recalculates it to be about 6:39. :P
Well, what the heck is that about? I thought something seemed strange. What is Variable Bit Rate anyway? But look at this:
(http://www.el-hazardonline.net/El-Hazard/temp/forum_users/saucer2.jpg)
32-bit? I think not! But it must look at the supposed bit rate, file size and then determine that the file must be six time as long as it really is. So why doesn't is play slow or choppy? I still don't understand.
I does however, explain why some of the audio drama bits on OVA1 OST disc 2 appear as 41 minutes to a hour and 45 minutes in length! How could all that possibly fit on a CD?
^^;
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I like how it was encoded "with" me. :P ... I guess that's true. I mean, I WAS sitting there and stuff...
VBR = Variable Bit Rate. The idea is that the compressor is supposed to dynamically change the bit rate to produce the best quality result in a given time chunk. But since most players just check the initial bitrate (32kbps in this case) and check the file length to make an estimate of length, it of course comes out totally wrong. (At that size, 32kbps would DEFINITELY be a long file) VBR is supposed to reproduce the best possible sound. But I dunno... it seems like my VBR encodes bounce too frequently between other rates for it to be properly effective (i.e. that file size is larger than it should be)
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I like how it was encoded "with" me. :P ... I guess that's true. I mean, I WAS sitting there and stuff...
Most encoders (iTunes, WinAmp, LAME, Stream Ripper, etc...) will have a field in the ID3 tag for the encoder that was used. I'm not sure what one you're using, but there must be a field in yours to but the name of the person encoding (CoolEdit96 had a feature like that ^^; ). So iTunes probably just looks at that field and says "Encoded with..."! ^_^;
VBR = Variable Bit Rate. The idea is that the compressor is supposed to dynamically change the bit rate to produce the best quality result in a given time chunk. But since most players just check the initial bitrate (32kbps in this case) and check the file length to make an estimate of length, it of course comes out totally wrong. (At that size, 32kbps would DEFINITELY be a long file) VBR is supposed to reproduce the best possible sound. But I dunno... it seems like my VBR encodes bounce too frequently between other rates for it to be properly effective (i.e. that file size is larger than it should be)
It certainly wasn't 32kbps. It would sound super grainy and lo-fi. It's cool, but why didn't you just rip them at good ol' 128kbps fixed bit rate? Neil's trying to sabbotage our MP3 players! ;D
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Every CD after I found it to be so wacked was done at 128kpbs fixed I believe.
And the ID3 tagger I was using labels it as "Encoded By", but I didn't think that to be as in what software was used to encode it. :P Well, it was encoded with Rob Jinnai goodness, damn it!!
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VBR confuses my MP3 players too. I don't do much MP3'ing myself, but I usually encode at 160kbps. I honestly can't tell the difference between 160kbps and 192kbps or higher.
128kbps is "good enough" for most pop/rock recordings, I think. But I can just barely hear a loss of quality on more lush orchestral recordings at 128kbps. Or I imagine I can hear it, anyway.
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Yeah, 160kbps seems like a great rate for perfectionist quality.
Sound probably doesn't need to be less packed once you're at that rate. [Most] human ears just aren't quite that sensitive to the subtle degration.
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You're all rubbish and should use Winamp. ;)
Really though, you're far too happy with what you're given. 128kbps can sound terrible on a decent stereo system.
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You're all rubbish and should use Winamp. ;)
I do if I need to play a selection. But even its "average" length calc can be off a minute or more sometimes. And WinAmp isn't available for Mac, is it? (Saucer's primary)
Really though, you're far too happy with what you're given. 128kbps can sound terrible on a decent stereo system.
Well, not many of us run MP3's through a stereo system. I know I don't... Although once long ago, my sound system DID consist of an old stereo amp and twin speakers hanging on my wall. It was cool until half the amp blew out. (Lost left or right channel, can't remember which.)
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Really though, you're far too happy with what you're given. 128kbps can sound terrible on a decent stereo system.
I bought a pair of Bose speakers for this computer, two or three years ago, and I used them for maybe a few weeks, but my downstairs apartment neighbor repeatedly complained about them.
I recently got a new downstairs neighbor, and she plays her music louder than I do. But I ended up putting the Bose speakers on the DVD player, instead of back on the computer.
128kbps generally sounds OK on my 15-year-old Radio Shack headphones. And the vast majority of the MP3s I DL are unreleased live concert bootlegs, and those are gonna sound like crap, even at 160+kbps :P
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Nope, no Winamp for Mac users. That's because we got iTunes! ;D Itunes is by far, the most innovative and intuitive MP3 player/management system IMHO. Especially when you have 1000+ MP3s and like to organize them all sorts of different ways. Great software.
I always encode stuff at 160kbps. That's true CD quality to my ears. 128kbps is pretty darn close. So I can't complain. But if I'm encoding it myself I always go for the best. 190kbps is a little overkill. 320kbps is REALLY overkill.
I have Harman Kardon speakers and iSub subwoofer. Sw33t! If I didn't have to go to work, I'd just sit in front of my computer all day listening to music.
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I seem to have the opposite problem with VBR mp3s, although none from this site... namely the Pita Ten and Jungle wa Itsumo Hale Nochi Guu openings. Windows Media Player often underestimates the time, insisting that a three minute track is just a minute long. Doesn't seem to affect anything... although it does meean you can't search in the last two thirds of the track ^_^