El-Hazard Online
Games => El-Hazard Online RPG => Topic started by: jewel_of_roshtaria on May 31, 2003, 01:38:34 pm
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Fuji:This topic is to repain open for discussion of the RPG and not to be used for the ACTUAL RPG (Sorry Rosh but I couldn't think of any other way :'(
One idea I had a while ago is El-Hazard roleplaying. I used to be in a forum RPG, and it was really fun. All we need to play is webspace and a mod and a plot device.
Oh yeah, and I call Fatora in advance. ;)
And who knows, maybe it will draw more people into EHOL?
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I have currently forgotten what RPG stands for, but whatever it is, it sounds good.
I call Alielle!
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RPG = Role Playing Game
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Makes sense. Okay. ;D
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I dunno, man... I mean, Mark Engels posted about an actual El-Hazard e-mail RPG type thing on someone else's site and it didn't get that much attention. You may not get a lot of players here... of course, that's not for me to judge. I'll help if there's a bunch of people who reply in interest. :P
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Role Play? This sounds fun but God knows if we do it right, it's not normal that the people who play a character manage to play the character's personality right. Although, since this El-Hazard, it's really easy to act out the characters since it's not really hard to know what they're thinking. :P
El-Hazard has a limited cast of male characters so it'd be hard to choose... ^_^;
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What I'm worried about is the fan created characters who either steal main characters for their own relationships or have infinite power and can destroy the universe. Or so I've seen many forum RPGs go. ;p
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Or, if this turns out like the SFGHQ RPG and a meteor randomly comes and destroys the fanfic, and a bunch of Pepto-Bismol men come and-::shot::
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The thing is the rules.
We should work some out and decide which we gonna use.
Also I would say that all the El Hazard chars should be NPCs (non-player-characters) so you'll have more feedom to create your own char.
I would claim "Shayla-Shaylas cast away younger brother, who returned from a yourney through the Bugrom realms" as my char, for example. ;)
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What I'm worried about is the fan created characters who either steal main characters for their own relationships or have infinite power and can destroy the universe. Or so I've seen many forum RPGs go. ;p
Actually, that's a good point. And I think that once a Moderator is appointed, all origional characters will have to be approved in advance. No incredible powers, no destroying the plots, no romancing with other characters without either the character's permission or the Mod's. Or maybe it should be a rule that no one is allowed to create an original character until all of the others are taken?
And as far as rules go, there are a few I should state. A good one to have is that you're not allowed to use, summon, conquer, or wreak havoc in El-Hazard without first asking the MOD. Second, if there's adult content in your post, well, we should have a seperate board for that. :P
Another good one is: NO GOD-MODING! God Moding is when one player says that another player's chara does something in thier post. Like, let's say that I'm Fatora and Lar is Alielle. If I were to say, " Fatora goes over and grabs Nanami's butt. Allielle get's mad and slaps her" That would be God-Moding Alielle.
Another common example of this is when someone says: "Shayla-Shayla is attacking the Bugrom empire. She throws a fireball at Jinnai, which decapatates him." That's not good. It might be all right for Shayla, but where exactly does it leave poor Jinnai? :'(
Oh, I know there are other rules, I just don't remember them now. Let's hear your opinions!
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Ah. I never did understand the term "god-moding". (And up until now was registering it as "God Mod-ding for some reason :p)
But that is an excellent rule for such things. Even so, I count maybe three so far who're interested, let's bulk up a little or it'll be a very lonely El-Hazard.
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Hey, I might be interested in participating in this. And I bring with me to the table a vast storehouse of online RPG experience. ^_^ I've seen a lot of what can make or break an RPG like this.
I've actually been looking to join another El-Hazard RPG since the one I used to be on has mostly ground to a halt. The one Mark Engles pointed out looked interesting, but it had entirely too many Furries for my comfort (I've nothing against Furries, really, but I prefer El-Hazard RPGs to stick with the three major races presented in the series: Humans, Bugrom, and Shadow Tribe. It's just less chaotic that way). I may still ask to join that, but if we can come up with something fun here, perhaps that'll be enough for me.
I think the idea of rendering all canon characters (Makoto, Ifurita, the Priestesses, etc.) as non-player characters is an interesting one; that way, everyone can call upon the characters from the show as-needed, without having to organize things with the character's player. I'm just as happy to go with a game playing as characters from the series, though.
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So the original El Hazard chars as NPCs are agreed?
The thing about the "NO-GOD-Modding" is an absolute must for RPG in my opinion! Everyone must be able to decide for his char on his own.
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Yes, that seems much more fair making the originals as NPCs...
Another thing I worry about is how the initial plot goes, most forum RPGs seem to go from Nothing to Chaos in simply two speeches of people that you never knew existed. :P
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But would I still be allowed to do the whole romancing thing with you any way rosh, seeing as I am going out with you?
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I think the idea of rendering all canon characters (Makoto, Ifurita, the Priestesses, etc.) as non-player characters is an interesting one; that way, everyone can call upon the characters from the show as-needed, without having to organize things with the character's player. I'm just as happy to go with a game playing as characters from the series, though.
I think that's also the best way of dealing with the situation. Although it would be interesting to let people be people and see how the story evolves as people follow their own agendas and fight over their fave chara (Ifurita, for instance), etc. In anime, the focus is usually people and their interactions with each other. Wouldn't it be interesting to let the game move this way, instead of forming up a party together and going about this or that? ^_^
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Once upon a time, I was in an El Hazard PBEM, (http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Garden/8455/ for the curious, not that there's much there anymore). It didn't work out too well because there was no plot, and show characters being run as PCs. Since then, I've moved on, and am now the Admin for several Macross based message board RPGs.
I've been considering an El Hazard game recently, and the thought of show characters in it, even as NPCs, doesn't thrill me too much. I suppose that's because Ifurita is so powerful that she tips the balance. One could run a potential game in the time period before Makoto goes to retrieve her from Earth.
I'm personally thinking about running one that takes place in a different time period altogether, probably a generation or two before the OVAs. *shrugs* I still need to do some background research though, but I think it would be interesting, because you could play in El Hazard, without having to worry about being upstaged by the show characters, or about the GM getting the show characters right, or whatnot.
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But would I still be allowed to do the whole romancing thing with you any way rosh, seeing as I am going out with you?
Well it's RPG, so why not?? ;)
I'm personally thinking about running one that takes place in a different time period altogether, probably a generation or two before the OVAs. *shrugs* I still need to do some background research though, but I think it would be interesting, because you could play in El Hazard, without having to worry about being upstaged by the show characters, or about the GM getting the show characters right, or whatnot.
Same to me, I have to gather some background info, too. But isn't it good as well to gain it through playing WITH the NPCs? So you'll find out about their personality and their role in El Hazard pretty fast.
Nevertheless, it's a good point! ;)
Another time period would be interresting...
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Although it would be interesting to let people be people and see how the story evolves as people follow their own agendas and fight over their fave chara (Ifurita, for instance), etc
Good point as well, but this could be some difficulty. What if the show char suddenly transformed into someone else, because the Player changes him a bit?
Nevertheless I would prefere to play 'Shayla'!
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Same to me, I have to gather some background info, too. But isn't it good as well to gain it through playing WITH the NPCs? So you'll find out about their personality and their role in El Hazard pretty fast.
Nevertheless, it's a good point! ;)
Another time period would be interresting...
No no, I, myself, need to gather some more background info for planning out my game. That way the background can be provided to the PCs when they talk to the NPCs or do ingame research, or whatever.
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Hmm... The "different time period" idea is an interesting one. However, rather than placing the game before the OAVs, I'd suggest placing it a few generations AFTER. That way, we can do things like have player characters that are descendants of the original characters, for instance. That way, someone who wants to play Shayla can actually play Shayla Jr. Jr., and thus have a Shayla-like character whom no one can complain about if she doesn't act just like her. And people will be less likely to fight over control of the original characters, 'cause they'll all be fogies. ^_^
Of course, Ifurita would probably still be just as powerful in two generations as she is in the present. If she's a problem, we can just say that she and Makoto decided to stay on Earth, or something. We never did get to see what happened to them after they were reunited, after all.
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No no, I, myself, need to gather some more background info for planning out my game. That way the background can be provided to the PCs when they talk to the NPCs or do ingame research, or whatever.
Aha! Understood! ;)
After all we should decide which period we gonna take.
In that case I'm for the future period!
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Another possibility would be a complete alternate universe or something of the sort.... which would actually allow leeway for minor character changes.... hm...
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Hmm, an alternate universe would certainly clear up any slight character changes, and would lead into interesting possibilities, like Wanderers Rune and OVA Fatora in the same world.
Ah well, I'm keeping the past world for my game design. I have some ideas I want to explore in it. :)
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Another possibility would be a complete alternate universe or something of the sort.... which would actually allow leeway for minor character changes.... hm...
True... But unless we make pretty significant changes to our alternate universe, it's problematic in that it doesn't allow for major character changes. For instance, if a player wants to be the Great Priestess of Wind, then they're stuck being Afura Mann. They might be a slightly different Afura Mann, but we'd have to change the world pretty significantly to make the Wind Priestess someone else.
But then, maybe it WOULD be interesting to make a radically different El-Hazard world, one with none of the characters from the original series (or said characters relegated to radically different roles), and leave it to the players to fill in the blanks with their own characters.
Hee hee - brainstorming this is almost as fun as actually playing it! ;D
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After all we should decide what to do!
All are good proposals, but we should do a voting to choose the final one.
Agreed?
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I'm for the idea of the future El-Hazard, that way there could be decendants, and also maybe new ideas to explore, like new plot devices, such as the return of the Phantom tribe or something. But I think it would be a good idea to neuter Ifurita of her powers, or at least, a lot of them, unless we wanted to do this the future of EH the Wanderers. That way Ifurita won't be as all powerful, and maybe the story will be a little more developed? :-/ But maybe we should take a web-poll?
Another idea I had was that we could do our own El-Hazard spoof, similiar to the Wanderers and Sega Saturn, so that we could all go our own directions, without funky-ing up the true and beautiful El-Hazard. :P
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hehe. You said funky-ing. (sorry)
I myself have never seen more than two episodes of EH, but I admire the work and story of EH, so yes, I do not want to kill the currently real EH, and making a spoof of it would be better. So long as I get to be Alielle. ;D
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A poll might be a good idea. I don't know how to set up a poll using this message board program (if it's even possible), so I'll just post a few of the more important questions here. Only answer them if you actually intend to play! That will give us a good count of the number of players we'll have. ^_^
1.The game should be set in:
a. OAV continuity El-Hazard. This includes OAV1, OAV2, and the Alternative World. If you want to truncate it to just OAV1, or something like that, select e. Other below.
b. Wanderers continuity El-Hazard. Yay, TV Ifurita! ^_^V
c. Manga continuity El-Hazard. Well, in its favor, a lot of the characters didn't receive a lot of development; that just might be an advantage when planning an RPG.
d. Alternate El-Hazard. If this one gets voted in, we'll need a whole new poll just to work out the particulars. ^_^
e. Other. This can include a rewrite of one of the series that's not different enough to count as an "Alternate" El-Hazard, or perhaps something completely different entirely.
MY SELECTION: a.
Though I'll admit I was sorely tempted by d.
2.Timewise, the game should be set in the
a. past. How far into the past will need to be determined. Have any of the original cast been born yet? Aside from Ifurita, of course. ^_^
b. present. The game will probably start not long after the end of the series.
c. future. The original cast is older, perhaps long dead. They may still have children or descendants running around, though.
d. N/A. If you selected Alternate El-Hazard above, then the actually time period may not even be important.
MY SELECTION: c.
I like the idea of romping around with the gang's descendants.
3.Should players be able to select series characters as the characters that they control?
a. Yes. In fact, ALL players should play series characters, and we should only allow player-created characters if we run out of worthwhile series characters.
b. Yes. However, a player may choose to play a player-created character instead, if they want.
c. No. All players should create their own, new characters. The series characters should be NPCs, and can be used by any player that needs them.
MY SELECTION: c.
a. is good, too, but I don't care much for b.
That's it for the major questions, I think. It would also be wise to choose a moderator for the game. This person could have any of a number of responsibilities, as we choose:
1. They could be responsible for resolving disputes between players. If a player oversteps his or her bounds, it's nice to have someone whose Word is Law in order to prevent things from degenerating into a squabble. Just about all RPG mods can, and should have this power.
2. They could be responsible for keeping the game moving, whether that be by encouraging a lagging plot thread to wrap things up, or injecting a bit of plot when the going gets slow.
3. They could be responsible for coming up with the storyline for the game. This is a big responsibility, much like being the Dungeon Master for a tabletop RPG. And it may not be necessary - there will probably be as many players apt at coming up with storylines of their own as there are players who prefer to follow along with other peoples' storylines.
These are the Judicial, Executive, and Legislative powers of the Mod. What, you were expecting checks and balances? Heck no - the Mod is God, here, and we're all mere monkeys dancing for his/her amusement! ^_^
My suggestion for whoever is chosen as the games Moderator to have category 1 powers, and perhaps category 2, as well. As for 3, I really do think we'll be able to maintain the game on our own.
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Another idea I had was that we could do our own El-Hazard spoof, similiar to the Wanderers and Sega Saturn, so that we could all go our own directions, without funky-ing up the true and beautiful El-Hazard.
That could be taken as the alternate universe thing to make it easier to decide. ;)
So let me sum up:
There is the point of show chars as NPCs,
and the different time periods, as there were:
past, present, future or alternate universe.
The first should be done as a simple 'yes' or 'no' question. the other with a rating system from 0-3 points, which would be given as the grade you like the period to play.
i.e. my personal opinion:
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NPCs = yes
a. past= 0
b. present = 1
c. future = 3
d. alternate universe = 2
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after all we maybe could even open a board for each or swich the period, but that might be kinda chaotic after some time.
The rules are quite good so far and the creation of chars may follow.
;D HOW ABOUT VOTING GUYS? ;D
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Upsy, am I too late?? :-[
Well ok...let me have a look at this one...
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Well lets see...
1. a
2. c
3. c
jepp, thats it!!! ;D
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Yes, it's the best way to do it...
1 : A
2 : C
3 : C
It's the only way to do it without conflict, I can't imagine how many people there'd be shouting "NO, I WANT TO BE JINNAI!".
Plotwise, I don't think the return of something is really good for whoever said "Return of the Phantom Tribe" above, I'd rather have something new but that's just me, the return of minor things couldn't possibly hurt.
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Okay, show of hands! Hands up if you wanna be Jinnai?
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No no, Larewen, that would be contradictory to the majority votes so far, which are looking to create a futuristic setting that has no original characters featured. PP was just using that as reinforcement to his choices.
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Okay? So what if I'm always wrong about everything?
I know that it has all been said before, but could you give me a brief summary of all the desicions that have been made? See, I didn't really understand what anyone was saying, and I'm sure someone else agrees with me.
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Page 2... the second post made by spanner with the hightlighted red numbers... that's what defined the official voting for this post.
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1)A
2)A
3)C
I am different! ;D
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Yeah, it was a reinforcement, if you didn't read it through clearly.
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I never mind an RPG, but if it takes place during like, when the actual episodes take place, it's very hard to do anything. Anyway i only have 1 min so buhbye
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1. a
2. c
3. b or c
I think that I am vaguly begining to understand this now.
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Ok, five replies so far!!!
Looks good to me, but there should be some more.
Anyway, are there suggestions yet, who might be the Mod of the RPG?
How about Rob? (only if he'll be interrested in ;) )
He has the recommended knowlege about El Hazard ;D
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Well, it's potentially interesting, but... things simply haven't stabilized so far as jobs/etc are concerned, so I really don't know when I'll be available, and not being around could be a real drag on your story.
For now I'll just try to do moderator type work on this post and try to facilitate any other needs you may have as this develops.
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I might be interesting in being the MOD, I'm a huge El-Hazard.. maybe. However, I have pretty sharp with my knowledge on this world. So in which case, I have to poin tout a few things I might set up. (Just in case ;))
-Firstly, the timeline will be set in the future, I am attached to the main El-Hazard story line and I don't want it ruined. The thing is, this is when a warphole in space, sorta, causes a time fold in space, by a prototype space ship, from Earth, in the year 2256. In which case, the ship makes it's test on space fold, but in desperate need, war struck out with aliens. Therefore, the ship, as par long distance traveling, was used for creating wormholes. However, one time, the 56th volunteer squadron of Space fighters, nicknamed Flying Soverignity, had to use the warphole that the Wormhole ship, just recently earning the name "Nullhole" from it's rather, braindead inventor.
As the Nullhole started to make it's wormhole, the fighter regiment had arrived and went into position prior for preparing to enter the wormhole. As soon was the Nullhole made the Wormhole, it gave the regiment an O.K. to go. The fighters went in in, the wormhole was absolutely fantastic as they went through. However, on the same side of the Nullhole ship, the aliens had attacked the ship, and destroyed it. It was not made to be attacked in the first place. As soon as it was destroyed, the Wormhole began to disrupt and collapse. Space was starting to rip apart from time as it tried to go back to it's normal self, doing so, some of teh ships disappeared, along with the pilot.
The wormhole had collapsed soon, with each and every ship that survived, critically damaged with parts of the fighters torn off from the experience. The disabled fighters, were in an unknown system, as wella s have been very close to a certian planet. That certain planet wasEl-Hazard... Gravity pulled the repains of their ships into the atmosphere, some of the aircrafts continued to the surface, while others disintegrated within the atmosphere. Very few ships survived, all the pilots had been knocked out during the crash.
-The path you choose, you must tell me wither it's Good (Roshtaria's), Bad (Bugrom) or Neutral (Some sort of unknown villeage with it's own government.
-The role you take MUSt be one of the crashlanding pilots. I, or whom I appoint, shall be in control of the actual El-Hazard cast i.e. Fujisawa, Makoto, Jinnai, blah blah blah. I do not intend to stay on forever. Therefore I shall post whenever I leave and come back on, as wella s the tiem and date the operation has started/stopped.
-Before you come into play, give specs on your character. For example, this will be mine
Name: Miles Herrera
Age: 27
Birthdate: Unknown
Landfall location (Side): Roshtaria (Good)
Occupation: Commanding officer of the 56th Flying Soverignity
Previous occupations: None
Height: 5ft 10in
Hair color: Brown
Eye color: Green
Blood Type: A--
-Please note, that if, during your RPGing, you announce one of your "Unknown" features, you must update that on the post in which you put in your specs. Same thing goes with Jobs.
One last note. I have not done anything like this before, therefore, I would like to appoint someone Assistance MODer. If this actually goes into play, I'll lay out the ground rules. Just tell me what you think.
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I might be interesting in being the MOD, I'm a huge El-Hazard.. maybe. However, I have pretty sharp with my knowledge on this world. So in which case, I have to poin tout a few things I might set up. (Just in case ;))
Ah, it's great to see your enthusiasm, Fujisawa4654. Enthusiasm is what allows a game like this to live. In fact, I'd like to see a little more - so far we only have six confirmed players: executor82, panicpaladin, Shade, larewen_evenstar, Fujisawa4654, and myself. No one else has voted on the game setup, yet. (Actually, you haven't either, Fuj, but I think I've got your votes figured out from your post - looks like you're an 1. a 2. c 3. c)
Now, in regards to your setup idea, I like it. It's creative, and it's definitely a good step forward in preparing for this game. However, it needs some modification. Right now, it's quite restrictive. For one thing, not everyone is going to want to be a crashed ship pilot. (I know I don't.) I'm sure there will be some players who would prefer to be Phantom Tribesman, or Priestesses (assuming that the Priestesses we know are retired), or ancient El-Hazardians revived from stasis, or who-knows-what else. And if we WERE all crashed ship pilots, the game could wind up being quite boring - it's much better to have a rich and diverse cast of player characters, than to have them all with such similar backgrounds.
Secondly, the Mod (whether it be you, or someone else) will not have total control over all the series characters. It's simply too big a job, trust me on this. Individual players can be trusted to treat series characters right when they need to control them for short periods of time, and only if they don't treat them right should the Mod step in.
In fact, if the Mod intends to play the game him or herself, he or she should be VERY light-handed, only stepping in to make corrections when absolutely necessary. A heavy handed Mod with tight control over the story is only necessary when the players lack imagination, or are belligerent, and I doubt that will be a problem in this case.
The background story for the game is something we must all agree on before playing; simply being the Mod doesn't mean you will solely decide how the story is going to begin. Your crashed dimensional spaceships idea is a good one, but for now it is just a suggestion for us all to keep in mind, whether you become Mod or not.
In short, while I DID say that the Mod is God here, he or she only has power as long as His or Her followers believe in Him or Her. ^_^
Oh, and I'm quite willing to be assistant Mod, if you need the help. In fact, I was going to volunteer to be Mod myself, if no one else volunteered...
For now I'll just try to do moderator type work on this post and try to facilitate any other needs you may have as this develops.
*Nods* Real life has priority, of course. If you wish to get your foot into the game, though, you can place your character into an isolated starting point. After all, if you're not interacting directly with other players, you won't be holding anyone back. ^_^ But that can wait until we get to the actual character-forming stage of the game.
I do have one request, though - I think that it wouldn't be a bad idea to have the game itself take place in a seperate forum at the same level as the "El-Hazard Online" and "Not El-Hazard Online" forums. When the time comes, would you be willing to add a new forum, and call it something like "El-Hazard Online RPG", or something? That way, we won't clutter up the "El-Hazard Online" forum with our RPG threads.
CURRENT VOTE TALLY
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5 votes for placing the game in the OAV continuity.
0 for all other choices.
2.
1 vote for placing the game in the past of El-Hazard
4 votes for placing the game in the future of El-Hazard.
0 for all other choices.
3.
0.5 votes for allowing players to play series characters as well as player-created characters.
4.5 votes for only allowing players to play player-created characters.
0 for all other choices.
(Just had to be difficult, didn't you, Lar? ;D)
So far, the votes are rather overwhelmingly in favor of 1. a 2. c 3. c, but that could certainly change if we get more players. C'mon, people, sign up! It'll be fun! And you can always quit if you don't like it!
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I agree with spanner.
The idea seems pretty good, indeed. But the restriction of only playing the crashlanding pilots is a bit hard. ^_^;
There should be different chars to keep interresting.
I would prefer to play an inhabitant of El Hazard.
How about this?
Name: Kane (only female children get names like 'Shayla-Shayla' or 'Calya-Calya')
Age: 19
Birthdate:'shayla-shaylas grandchild, younger brother of the current Priestress of fire 'Calya-Calya'(or 'Karuya-Karuya' spoken)
Landfall location (Side): Roshtaria (Good)
Occupation: envys the Priestresses for their powers and trys to gain similar abilitys
Previous occupations: traveled through the Bugrom realms for training and ability development.
Height: 1,76m (I dunno how much that is in feet :P)
Hair color: red
Eye color: Green
Blood Type: O
agile and swift martial artist; almost completely fire-resistant ;tries to find a device to gain control of fire (in vain until now ^_^; ) always tries to copete with his sister (they love fighting each other for no reason); short tempered as his sister and grandmother, but relieable and kind if necessary. A bit shy to women (the only women he got known with were his sister and grandmother before starting his yourney through the land); mother unknown (disappeared in the bugrom realms when Kane was 2 and his sister 4 years old)
Well it still needs a bit of development, but as for the beginning not bad, I think...
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I do have one request, though - I think that it wouldn't be a bad idea to have the game itself take place in a seperate forum at the same level as the "El-Hazard Online" and "Not El-Hazard Online" forums. When the time comes, would you be willing to add a new forum, and call it something like "El-Hazard Online RPG", or something? That way, we won't clutter up the "El-Hazard Online" forum with our RPG threads.
Easier done than said. Just let me know when you're ready.
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*cough cough* Yes. I did have to be different. but how come I only seem to count as a 0.5 vote and not a one? No one ever counts me properly. >:(
I sad. :'(
Height: 1,76m (I dunno how much that is in feet )
It's roughly 5'6", 5'7" I'm about that height, so I should know. ;)
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Here are my opinions:
The game should be set in:
a. OAV continuity El-Hazard. This includes OAV1, OAV2, and the Alternative World. If you want to truncate it to just OAV1, or something like that, select e. Other below.
Timewise, the game should be set in the
c. future. The original cast is older, perhaps long dead. They may still have children or descendants running around, though.
Should players be able to select series characters as the characters that they control?
c. No. All players should create their own, new characters. The series characters should be NPCs, and can be used by any player that needs them.
I think this scenario will permit the greatest interaction based upon the dies the characters of the original series have already cast. I, for one, am intrigued by the series not so much by the world that it takes place in, but by the interactions between the characters and their individual motivations. Such motivations will lead to a very different world in the future than the one first seen at the beginning of OVA 1. And that might be an interesting place to play. "May you live in interesting times," so the old Chinese curse reads.
I've read and enjoyed the Redwall series by Brian Jacques. One of the things I found particularly noteworthy was how each successive book refers to characters and events from earlier volumes with an aura of mystique and glamour...akin to tales of Arthurian Legend we speak about to this day. So it could be with this. Player Characters may well find artifacts and scrolls from the men and women of legend and use them to decide the next move to make in a decades-old chess game. So sayeth Mr. Ziegler "I like the idea of romping around with the gang's descendants", as do I.
A character like Ifurita may well make appearances from time to time, perhaps as the gamemaster's avatar. She could be employed to keep the player characters from straying too far from their appointed course or to unlock the secrets of the ancients one frustratingly small piece at a time. Depending on how far in the future the game is set, other characters from the OVAs may well be used, although I would like to see them portrayed differently than we might remember them (as they would be if they are significantly older.)
Mr. Adcock and I had a few exchanges of some of these very points as he reviewed the fanfict I wrote with Ken Wolfe called Rough Justice. Over twenty years had elapsed since Makoto had returned to Ifurita, and several of the characters had changed significantly. Not always for the better, either...
Looking forward to seeing what we can do with this idea.
--me
Mark Engels
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*cough cough* Yes. I did have to be different. but how come I only seem to count as a 0.5 vote and not a one? No one ever counts me properly.
You got a whole vote. You just chose to divide it up into two categories. Since you voted for both b. and c., 0.5 got added to each. So, before you voted, b. was at 0, and c. was at 4. Afterwards, b. was at 0.5, and c. was at 4.5. You see? ;D
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Spanner, You are right on my votes, 1=a 2=c 3=c. As far as I know, if it does start, i want tosmething to that storyline. Me and you can modify how everything works if this actually gets up to gear. As I said, I've never seen or done this before. I feel as if i'm ready Spanner, I just need some help. So, I feel like being the assistant MOD and you be the main MOD person... Just what I was thinking anyway :D
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So then settle it all this way.
Spanner will be the Mod and Fujisawa4654 the assistent.
Anyway I would keep my char this way with a bit of modifying, but then I would be ready and waiting.
Just say a word when all is decided and ready for playing ;D
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Blaaahahahahahahaaaaa. Perfect, something with this storyline.. Bah I do not yet know. Spanner, contact me on AIM sometime and we can lay out groudn rules, stories, and whatnot.
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Shouldn't we let Rosh have a say in all this, I mean it was her idea.
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Well I haven't seen her post in a while...
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Well I haven't seen her post in a while...
Indeed. So what's about her.
I think it all developed pretty well so far. I would definitely keep it that way.
I'm allready developing my char...we'll see how it works out. Should we choose pictures for the char too?
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I'm allready developing my char...we'll see how it works out. Should we choose pictures for the char too?
Wouldn't that be kinda hard? We would have to make it. I can make decent computer artwork, but it's only textures... I doublt i can make anything as so, careful :P
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Well I haven't thought of drawing or sorta thing as well. We shall choose some pics from the net or something that might suite our char best.
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Okay. The reason Rosh doesn't post that much is unknown, but I think she keeps getting banned. I'm supposed to be getting married to her this weekend, but she hasn't said anything since roughly last weekend, so that could be a problem.
I understand that it is all this is really well develpoed, but seeing as it was Rosh's idea, I really think that she hould have a say in the matter, although, I do think that she will agree with pretty much everything we say.
I think that, if we can, we should all try to draw our own characters, and try to post them on EHOL.
I'm sorry, I don't actually remember voting for both. Sorry.
Okay, now I remember. ;D
Lar xxx
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I'm quite behind on the topic, I haven't been on for a few days... But I see that now it comes to creating a character, so...
Name: Panic Fairlight (I'll stick to my Net Alias with an added surname)
Age: 16 (it's hard to balance my age with that of other people, so I think 16 will do)
Gender: Male
Birthdate: November 12th
Landfall Location / Side: Neutral (Unknown)
Occupation: Traveller (none, really)
Previous occupations: Necromancer
Height: 5ft
Hair color: Dark Blue
Eye color: Dark Green
Blood Type: AB
I'll make a Picture of this character done sometime later, 'not much time for drawing today.
I think the entire RPG thing is going a bit better than I had thought, I figured a muddle would come up followed by an abandoned or locked topic but this is going quite well.
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I apologize for neglecting this thread. Over the weekend, I binged on "The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker", and hardly checked this list at all. (On the plus side, I did win the game. ^_^V)
Ground Rules> Fujisawa4654, I would be happy to discuss the rules to this game with you. Unfortunately, I barely ever turn on my AIM, so it would help if you could let me know what times of day you're online (and what time zone you're in, of course). I can make an effort to check at around those times.
Rosh's problems> It's a shame that jewel_of_roshtaria is having trouble posting. Since she started the whole thing, she certainly deserves a say in it. Looking back at her first post, she called dibs on Fatora. Given the way the game currently seems to be developing, that could be problematic. ^_^;;
Character Pictures> Oh, my... I really don't think you guys want to be exposed to my artistic skills. They're not exactly l33t. :P I don't suppose we have someone playing who CAN draw, and who would be willing to draw character sketches for the other, more handicapped players?
Former Necromancers> Panicpaladin, I found myself a little worried by your character bio, with what you put under "Previous Occupation". So, I'll use that excuse to launch into a long, rambling lecture that I hope will be useful to people creating characters for this game. ^_^
With a game like this, it's best to design characters that fit well within the constraints defined by the original series. If no limits are placed, then you end up with a hodgepodge of characters that few can really relate to other than the player that created them:
(Humorous example: )
Player one: I'm going to be a nineteen-year-old female cyborg ninja Digimon trainer!
Player two: I'm going to be a nympho lesbian catgirl who drives a bigass tank!
Player three: I'm going to be the Great Priestess of Wood, who's actually a crossdressing male Jedi warrior!
Mod: *Rubs forehead painfully* Uh... okay... So who wants to go first?
Player one: Well... I don't much like Star Wars... Lesbian catgirls are cool, though! Wanna cyber, player two?
Player two: Forget it! Digimon sucks.
Player one: Oh, well, I'll just go off and ramble along in my own story until I get bored and quit.
Mod: ...Right. Player two?
Player two: I'll start my own story, too, and anyone who wants to join can!
Player three: Hey, I'll bring in my character, and your lesbian catgirl can hit on him! That could be funny!
Player two: Nah, I'm actually waiting for another player with a cute female character to join my thread, so that the two of us can spin off a long, fluffy romance with no real relationship to the rest of the game, and interesting to no one other than us. I'm not interested in romantic action/adventure comedy.
Mod: *Urge to kill rising* You do realize you're playing an El-Hazard RPG, right? A world pretty much based on romantic action/adventure comedy?
Player three: Suit yourself. I'm not joining Player one's thread, though. Digimon sucks!
Player one: Digimon does NOT suck! And I don't need anyone else, anyway.
Player three: Anyway, looks like I'll be starting my own story, too.
Mod: This bodes ill...
*One week later the players all got sick of playing with only themselves, and quit.*
(End humorous example)
That was, of course, an exaggerated case (not TOO exaggerated, though - given no limits, players often put together characters that are a chaotic mishmash of whatever it is that they consider cool at a given moment), but it helps to illustrate a main point: All of us who are playing this game are El-Hazard fans, to some extent. But we aren't necessarily all Digimon/Star Wars/Furry/whatever else fans, and introducing those elements has the potential to throw a game into confusion.
As El-Hazard fans, we know certain things about the Earth from the series, and about El-Hazard from the series. Earth seemed to be a pretty ordinary place. While the show didn't spend much time there, there was no sign of magic, or aliens, or supernatural creatures, or any other sorts of weirdness. It was a very ordinary Earth. In fact, that was the whole point of it - an ordinary place for Makoto and the others to travel to an extraordinary place from. So, if your character is from Earth, he or she would be best off not being TOO out-of-the-ordinary. Being a crack assassin, or a secret agent, or a top-rated martial artist isn't out-of-the-question, but being a Necromancer or other magic-user is sketchy.
El-Hazard is a little more open. Depending on how you interpreted the series, there may be magic there, or at the very least, technology so advanced as to be indestinguishable from magic. Aliens exist, in the form of beings brought in from other dimensions, so a lot of leeway exists there. Again, though, we'll want to keep that within reason, simply to ensure that players will be able to related to other players' characters. While it might be feasable to use the Eye of God to beam in a C'tarl C'tarl from the Outlaw Star universe, is it really a good idea?
Panicpaladin, while I used you as an example, yours was a mild case. I doubt there's anyone here who doesn't know what a necromancer is, and there's numerous possible backgrounds that you could give as an excuse as to how your character came to have that history. Perhaps your character is not from Earth, but is, instead, from another dimension where necromancy is possible. Perhaps your character gained necromancy as his special ability when he came to El-Hazard from Earth, and worked as a necromancer for a while before the game began. Unlike many of the traits mentioned in my example above, necromancy could fit fairly well with the "feel" of El-Hazard, if used properly. (I'll bet the Shadow Tribe would be particularly fond of such tactics...)
Once I have a chance to meet with Fujisawa5654, we'll put together a few rules to help limit character creation a bit. In the meantime, everyone, as you all consider ideas for your characters, try to imagine whether the character you come up with could easily walk onto the set of El-Hazard and not seem tremendously out-of-place. That's the best guideline to follow.
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Good ruleset. I'm standing by for any tech assistance required. (At the very least I assume a forum subsection creation and moderator privledge granting to that zone.)
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'Aight spanner. The most common schedule I stick to is on the Weekdays, once I come home from school.
Those times are around 2:30 to soemwhere around 9:00 PM.
Weekends I'm usually on indefinitely, but I play PlanetSide with my IM set to Away.
I'm in Pacific Standard time BTW, at the west coast, gimme an IM some time, I'll try to get ahold of Rosh.
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ATTENTION
Okay, Fujisawa4654 and I did some brainstorming last night, and came up with some background for the game which should help you in your character creation.
First, the game takes place in the future of El-Hazard. How far into the future, we haven't decided yet. (More on that at the end of this message.) There are many factions in El-Hazard - the Alliance, the Bugrom, the Phantom Tribe, and any other factions players want to come up with (like, say, the Popular People's Front of Gennan, or something - if you have ideas, suggest them, and we can consider them). However, the world is currently in an unsteady peace, with no faction currently moving against any other.
Then, something happened with the Eye of God. No one is certain why, or how, but it punched several holes through the dimensional wall, and drew a number of humans through from Earth. New people, with new ideas, and new abilities to be used. Could these newcomers be the catalyst that plunges El-Hazard once more into chaos? Or will they be the salve that finally heals the ancient grudges that keep El-Hazard in turmoil?
Player Characters: You may choose to be either from Earth, drawn into the world of El-Hazard by the Eye of God, or you may choose to be from El-Hazard. This pretty much means that you're limited to being either human, Bugrom, or Phantom Tribe. If you wish to be something other than this we can discuss this. But to keep things tidy, those are the rules for now.
If you are from Earth, you may choose a special power to give to your character. This can be... well... pretty much anything you can think of! But be reasonable. If you give your character a very powerful power, make sure it has some kind of very powerful drawback, as well. Fujisawa and I will step in if we (or other players) feel that a power is out-of-bounds, or its drawback is too minor.
If you're from El-Hazard, you can give your character pretty much any background you like. Again, within reason. If you have a special power (other than Phantom Tribe illusions for PT players, or Bugrom strength for Bugrom players) you should have a good explanation as to why you have it (i.e., Priestess training, or found a piece of ancient El-Hazard technology, or whatever else).
Now, the bit I alluded to at the beginning... We thought it would be a good idea to ask the other players just HOW FAR into the future we should put the game. So, here's another vote!
The game should take place:
a. 0 generations after OAV1. That is, less than ten years have passed since Makoto rescued Ifurita. The series regulars are still their prime, for the most part, and ready for adventure. They may have children, but those children are quite young. Players may not play the children of series regulars; the children are just too young. Great Priestess and other exclusive job titles may be available, but only if something tragic has happened to the previous holders of the positions.
b. 1 generation after OAV1. The series regulars are getting older, and they've passed on the reins of adventure to their children, who are in their teens and twenties. This isn't to say that the series regulars aren't up to a bit of swashbuckling, if the occasion demands it, but their kids would probably be embarrassed to have them around. Players may choose to play the children of series regulars, if they like. Great Priestess and other exclusive job titles may be available.
c. 2-3 generations after OAV1. The series regulars are getting pretty old. They're retired, and even their children are starting to show their age. Their grandkids are the heroes, now, but the old folks are still around to provide advice and comic relief when necessary (Granny Fatora, the Spry and Incorrigable Dirty Old Woman, anyone? ^_^;; ). Players may play the children of series regulars, if they choose, but would probably be better off playing the grand- or great-grandchildren. Great Priestess and other exclusive job titles are readily available.
d. More than 3 generations after OAV1. The series regulars are mostly deceased. Their descendants continue on, ready to create new legends and new adventures. Players may play the decendants of series regulars, if they choose. Great Priestess and other exclusive job titles are readily available.
My vote here is for c. Everyone else? It's important to decide fairly quickly, so that people who want to play children or decendents of series regulars will know whether they can or not. Let's set a deadline at midnight Friday. We'll count up the votes we have by then, and go with that. (We'll cut the vote short sooner, if all currently registered players vote before then.)
Granny Fatora: *Leers* Well, ain't you a sweet young thang!
Shayla Jr. Jr.: *Repulsed* Get offa me, you old hag!
Granny Fatora: *Cackles* C'mon, now, darlin'! You wouldn't deny an old woman on her last legs a li'l bit of fun, now wouldja? *Grope, grope*
Shayla Jr. Jr.: *Shrieks* Somebody help me get this old pervert offa me! HELP!!!
I've always thought Fatora resembled a young, female Happosai... Just wait 'til she gets old! Bwahahaha!!!
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Wow, you guys have sure done a lot! ;D Now all you need is a starting plot device! (Other than the obvious "In a new world" thing, because that won't give the previous inhabitants of El-Hazard much to do.)
Oh yeah, and I have yet to vote too!
1. a
2. c
3. c
(Lol, I love Lar's half vote! That's so cute! ;D )
Oh yes, and since I can't call Fatora, I'll do the next best thing... and makething... and make a Fatora-clone.
Another Idea I had that wasn;t really mentioned earlier was Demon Gods.. Should we put restrictions on them, since many people *coughscaucercough* will probably want to put one in? Just a thought.
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And with the new voting, I am also for choice c, simply for the fact that I want to be Granny Fatora! ;D
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Ah, Jewel_of_Roshtaria! It's good to see you back, since all this started with you. :D
Yes, there will need to be pretty severe restrictions placed on any Demon Gods that get added to the storyline, either as player characters, or as "possessions" of player characters. We will deal with these, and any other powerful ancient El-Hazard artifacts, on a case-by-case basis.
As for allowing you to be Granny Fatora - well, technically it's against the rules, if we go by the current popular vote. However, if no one minds, then I certainly don't think it would be a problem to give you honorary control over that particular non-player character.
You might want to consider making a player character to play, as well.
Oh, another thing I forgot to mention; for those people playing travellers from Earth, keep in mind that your character doesn't necessarily have to be from present-day Japan. The Eye can send people through both space and time, so feel free to design a character from any era or location you desire. Want to play a fourteenth century English knight? No problem. An astronaut from the future? We might need to discuss what technological advances you're allowed, but certainly! A member of the Spanish Inquisition? Could be cool - after all, NO ONE expects the Spanish Inquisition! ;D
Language will not be a problem. Why? Well, it's complex. You see, because of the [technobabble] and the [technobabble], the newcomer's mind is [technobabble], thus attuning them to the general language of the human population of El-Hazard! So, whether you're from France, Zimbabwe, or Outer Mongolia, you all speak the same language when you get to El-Hazard. Now, isn't that just too convenient? ;D
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Refered to the char I allready created I vote for c.
Well, here is some more background to my char:
Name: Kane
Age: 19
Birthdate:'shayla-shaylas grandchild, younger brother of the current Priestress of fire
'Calya-Calya'(or 'Karuya-Karuya' spoken)
Side: Roshtaria (Good)
Occupation: envys the Priestresses for their powers and trys to gain similar abilitys
Previous occupations: traveled through the Bugrom realms for training and ability
development.
Height: 5'7''
Hair color: red
Eye color: Green
Blood Type: O
Kane is the grandchild of Shayla-Shayla and younger brother of 'Calya-Calya', the current priestress of fire.
His mother was Priestress of fire before her, but as she disappeared on a yourney through the bugrom realms
without any sign of life, it was decided to call her deceased (Kane was 2 and Calya-Calya 4 years old).
At that time grandma Shayla-Shayla took care of Kane and his sister and began to educate them in the way
priestresses were educated, at the age of 7 and 9 years.
Aware of that only his sister could become a priestress Shayla told Kane when he was 12 to leave and to gain own
experience. So he left and went on his first yourney to find someone to teach and train him. Calya-Calya went to
the temples to become a priestress now. So the years passed by and Cayla-Cayla became the priestress of fire while
Kane became martial artist.
At the age of 17 Kane returned to Roshtaria after he travelled the Bugrom realms and even trained a few month at the
Phantom Tribe. He never made real friends in that time, so he got a little lonely.
Back in Roshtaria he met his sister again. At first Calya-Calya didn't recognize him and fought him as he made a
little fun of her. It was a hard and long fight and SHE won in the end. That was the time when he started to envy
her abilitys and started to peek on her while she was training. He studied her moves and started to develop a strategy
to beat her. But there was one problem: He had to gain control of fire as well.
So he started another yourney through the differend realms for about 2 years to find something to get that ability.
He even started training at vulcanon pits what made him almost completely fire resistant. He failed this yourney and
returned to Roshtaria again. When he met his sister this time, HE finally kicked HER ass! ;) But a few months later SHE
challanged HIM again and won! And this is how it goes over and over again.
Now Kane is 19 and Calya-Calya 21. Their strenght is almost equal but they never stop trying to be better than the other.
But they're still brother and sister so they make fun of each other, hold together and love each other as before.
Grandma Shayla is very proud of them both and glad that all developed well.
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OUCH! I never should type my posts in NOTEPAD again before I post them!!! :P
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Well, thank you for thinking my half vote was cute! ;D
I'll go and draw and/or create my character relitivley soon. ;D
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I'll try to figure out a char. concept later today. I've been neglecting all of my RPs lately, thanks to personal stuff. :P
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I vote for b!
Also, with the change of storyline, I'll have to revamp my character.. Or... Something.....
Or should I vote for a?...
I'll do a half-vote like Lar did!
*ahem*
I VOTE FOR BOTH A AND B!
Do that math and that's .5 for each, although you already knew that :P
HOW DO YOU LIKE BLOOD BLAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH...
You all hate me now don't you.
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Yes. Maybe. No.
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Spanner, note that it's "previous" and not present, it would only go under background information that wouldn't launch into giant situations (or at least, that's what I hope)... But however, the rules have been set and I'll follow by them, so I'll edit it.
Side: Roshtaria / Good
Occupation: Traveller
Previous occupations: Palace Servant
I hope that'll fit, sorry for any trouble. ^_^;
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I hope that'll fit, sorry for any trouble. ^_^;
No worries, this DOES fit better for sure ;)
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All right, you guys. Looks like you've got your foundation laid out. Now all you need is to figure out who's the effective leader who's going to start you off and I'll create you a forum subsection with Spanner/Fuji as moderators, if that's to spec.
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In my opinion we should start with the humans who got through the dimensional portals to El Hazard, then the different inhabitants will follow to be introduced. They gonna meet them on their way.
How about it? The mods will lead the way by beginning the story with them. Or should anybody else start ???
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Well, there's still a little more setup left to do, I'm afraid. There are several people who still need to design characters. (Erm, like me... *cough* :P) Also, it's not quite a done deal yet, that we will be setting the game two generations into the future - people still have 'til Friday to vote.
Plus, I'm gonna be busy all Father's Day weekend. On account of it being Father's Day weekend. ;D I'm sure some others will be busy, too.
Perhaps we should start a deadline, some day by which everyone needs to have their characters done? We can start the game then. How about next Wednesday? Next Wednesday, we'll start the game. Fujisawa and I will work out an introductory post sometime between Friday and then, and start the thread on Wednesday.
*Looks to the left side of the screen* Woohoo! Mod stars! I am l33t!!!
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1. A
2. B
3. C
I think that settles my vote :)
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Ok, now that we have that all squared away, I was wondering if I could be a member of the Roshtarian Royal Family? That way, not only could I be related to Fatora, Her Esteemed Lesbian-ship, but I could stay on as sort of a Demi-Mod. That way, I could make sure the story keeps flowing, without having the responsibility of a regular Mod. I really wanted a Demon God, but I also didn't want to become a hypocrite, after all, it was I who placed the "Excess Demon God" rule... And who needs a Power Key staff when you can have all the girls in Roshtaria??? ;)
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Demi-Mod... *Chuckles*
Certainly, any player is free to play a member of Roshtarian royalty, if they like. Also, any player may play a Demon God, yourself included. The only caveat is that anyone who plays a character with a lot of power needs to have restrictions placed on them to somehow limit that power, so that they don't constantly overwhelm the other players.
If you wish to be a mover and shaker in the Roshtarian heirarchy, that's fine. This still leaves you with a lot of options - you can be the stay-at-home type like Rune Venus, who gives orders that potentially shake the foundations of the world and then spends her lonely nights angsting on the balcony, or you can be the adventurous type like TV Rune Venus or Fatora, who like to stretch their legs every now and then, much to the consternation of their various guardians.
From your suggestion, it sounds as though you're a little more interested in the stay-at-home sort, who has a lot of power and a greater hand in directing the overall picture. That's fine, though I'd request that you verify any major changes (like, say, carving your name onto the moon with the Eye of God just for the heck of it) through Fujisawa any myself.
Also, if you decide to be Roshtarian royalty, you may want to put some thought into your lineage. Presumably, you'd be a granddaughter/grandson of Rune Venus (Fatora isn't too likely to have kids, after all ^_^;;). Who'd Rune marry? Who'd her kids marry? If your character is female, and able to control the Eye of God, does she have a sister that she pairs up with for the task? Or, perhaps, does she work with her mother, or even grandmother?
This, actually, is a concern for all players who wish to play characters related to original series characters. Be sure to have some idea about your family line. Look to Executor's post for an excellent example of this - he intends to play Shayla-Shayla's grandson, but has also developed a history for him that includes a sister, who happens to be the Great Priestess of Fire, and also a pair of lost parents. Executor, you might want to put some thought into how Shayla eventually got over Makoto, and who she eventually had children with, but you don't need to give us the details unless they become important to the story.
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Oh I almost forgot!... This friday morning I'll be leaving for Missouri and I'll come back Tuesday night. Wednesday will be the time I'm available, and as I understand, Spanner will be gone too. So this might be delayed... To me however this gives me a chance to prepare and think it over, plus I've never played a forum RPG.
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That's fine, though I'd request that you verify any major changes (like, say, carving your name onto the moon with the Eye of God just for the heck of it) through Fujisawa any myself.
Hehehe... "FATORA WAS HERE" ;D
Presumably, you'd be a granddaughter/grandson of Rune Venus (Fatora isn't too likely to have kids, after all ^_^;;).
OK! Assuming there's no miracle of artificial insemination in El-Hazard... ;D
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OK! Assuming there's no miracle of artificial insemination in El-Hazard... ;D
Heh. Even if El-Hazard had test tube babies, I can't imagine Lady Fatora would be all that enthusiastic about having children of her own. ^_^ She ain't exactly the motherly type. Which is why we all love her tolerate her eye her with a great deal of suspicion as much as we do. ;D
Still, if you'd like to see a rather wonderful story that DOES feature Fatora becoming a reluctant mother... er, well, father, sorta... just look to Dooky's "The Shape of Things to Come" (http://www.fanfiction.net/read.php?storyid=1030976). Dooky definitely knows his Fatora and Ailelle!
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I suppose being a grand-daughter of Fatora could be explained as 'scarey', and it is true that Fatora (unless through means of fanfic) is going to become a mother.
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I'M BACK!... I got back from Missoiri with only 2 good things to talk about and several bad things to talk about. So lets just say I'm back.
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ok... votes are in.. I'M THE ONLY... wait spanned did.. And spanner made a solid vote and i made 2 half votes... C won, there will be a Granny Fatora folks!... Now I need to start a new thread, but I'm not sure how to get it off the ground, SPANNER WHERE ARE YOU!...
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SPANNER WHERE ARE YOU!...
Heh. I'm here. I'm at work though, so if you want an in-depth discussion, we should probably meet later.
Unfortunately, I'm gonna be busy this evening, as well (I have company coming). Will you be available at around 9:30 Central? We can meet and chat on AIM at that time, and figure out the best way to get this party started.
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Hmm 7:30 my time... NO guarantees, it's a 50:50 chance, but I'll try.
Don't get mad If I don't make it though, we just need to start up the RPG thread, I'm sure you cna do it without me but.. Moh... *dies*
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This topic has served its purpose, so I'm going to lock it. Any other questions or comments anyone has should be written under (surpise!) Questions and Comments.
Happy Role Playing, everyone!