El-Hazard Online
General => El-Hazard Online => Topic started by: Lord God Jinnai on July 21, 2003, 05:51:34 pm
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In a serious, fair fight, who would win? Makoto or Jinnai?
I believe that if Jinnai actually put aside his stupid plots and left his Bugrom at home, he'd kick Mizuhara's wimpy ass but good. Just take a look at the beginning of the OAV, when Makoto ran away from him. Or in the tv series, when they had that sword fight. Jinnai was doing pretty good, blocking all of Makoto's girly swings, until of course the end when he thought his idiotically constructed plan backfired.
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Ah, Jinnai blood. How agressive it does make you, eh? :P
Okay, in a one-on-one fist fight, I think Makoto would generally be too clumsy to land a blow. He's a techie, not a fighter. It's hard to say how Jinnai fairs. I mean, I'd imagine he gets around a lot with his Bugrom troops and is found leading them in a dash in OAV2. All signs point to him being in generally good shape... ignoring AW's nightmarish "fat Jinnai" incident, which thankfully resolved itself.
During reconstruction, at least in the few shots provided by AW, it seems to me that Jinnai was fairly involved, which may buff him up a bit more.
Ultimately, if it's a one-on-one, I'll put my vote down for Jinnai.
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Everyone always wants to pick on the Mak-daddy...
One-on-one fight winner? Probbaly Jinnai... by default...
Why would Mak-daddy want to bother with a stupid fight when it would seriously cut into his pimpin' time?
Ergo, Jinnai would win because Makoto wouldn't show up because he'd be busy pimpin' it up big-time.
Makoto: Yo Shayla, get your holy ass back in mah car befo' I make yo' taste dah back of mah hand!
Shayla: You ARE the Mak-daddy Pimp-mastah!
Makoto: Yo' damn right. Now let me show you why I'm da real "Mastah of da Staff."
Deleted scene from the deleted series "El-Hazard - The Blaxploitation World"
Sorry, I haven't posted in awhile so I figured I make it stupid and pointless.
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Grrr... lousy Mizuhara... always flaunting his mad pimpin'...
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Hmmm, tough one. Personally, I think it would be Makoto. He's just lucky. Something would inevitably happen, like in the final showdown between the two in the Wanderers, or at the begginning of The Magnificent World. Like a stray meteor would fall on Jinnai, or a bolt of lightning would streak out of the sky and smite him.
Of course, it goes without saying that I'd be on Jinnai's side. I really can't stand Makoto and his blundering around El-Hazard. Still, I don't think the writers would really condone such a thing. After all, Makoto's the leading man, *and* it seems that he's more athletic than Jinnai anyways. (Of course, I say that only out of respect to the numerous shots of Makoto beating Jinnai at sports.)
But anyways, I'm sure that Jinnai could wipe the floor with Makoto at chess or something. And even though it goes against my whole point, I'd love to see Makoto getting a good butt-kicking from Jinnai. ;D
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In a serious, fair fight, who would win? Makoto or Jinnai?
I believe that if Jinnai actually put aside his stupid plots and left his Bugrom at home, he'd kick Mizuhara's wimpy ass but good. Just take a look at the beginning of the OAV, when Makoto ran away from him. Or in the tv series, when they had that sword fight. Jinnai was doing pretty good, blocking all of Makoto's girly swings, until of course the end when he thought his idiotically constructed plan backfired.
It's pretty much a moot point, I'm afraid. Even if Makoto were willing, it's simply against Jinnai's work ethic to participate in a fair fight. If Jinnai put aside his stupid plots and left his Bugrom at home, he wouldn't be Jinnai. ;D
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If Jinnai put aside his stupid plots and left his Bugrom at home, he wouldn't be Jinnai. ;D
I think that pretty much DOES sum it up, unfortunately.
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Do I know where Jewel's sidepic is from? O_o
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Hmmm, tough one. Personally, I think it would be Makoto. He's just lucky. Something would inevitably happen, like in the final showdown between the two in the Wanderers, or at the begginning of The Magnificent World. Like a stray meteor would fall on Jinnai, or a bolt of lightning would streak out of the sky and smite him.
I agree with this... Jinnai suffers from "anime-sociopath" bad luck. Same thing Rock has trouble with... Although Jinnai SHOULD be able to take Makoto some weird twist of fate would royally screw him over...
Though the original post said if it were a "fair fight"... if it were a fair fight and no cosmic bitch were out to get Jinnai... yes... yes Jinnai would win... Or... would he? He might get so cocky during the fight that he'd just stand there laughing at Makoto's sorry ass til Makoto got up and slugged him...
I guess it all depends on wether Jinnai likes it like that or not too... I mean if Jinnai is secretly a masochist, he might LIKE getting beat up... in which case... even if he could take Makoto, he would just stand there and let him kick the crap out of him (as Rock has a tendancy to do).
I'm thinking about this too much...
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Ah... I finally have time for this thread.
I'm going to have to go with Mizuhara. He simply more intelligent. Look at all the EH series. He outwits Jinnai and foils his plans at every turn. Or sometimes, Jinnai becomes his own undoing (like the sword fight). Jinnai relies too much on deciet, subterfuge and brute force. It's his own undoing. True strategy requires brains. Of which, Mizuhara possesses more.
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I dunno... Jinnai is kinda scrawny and pasety to be perfectly honest. Even if Makoto was a wussy puncher (and we all know he would be), I think it would catch Jinnai's thin, white frame off guard and knock him to the floor.
So, the winner = Makoto, for having some damn colour in his cheeks ;)
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I'd say it depends on the time and universe. If the fight took place in the OAV series before they were transported to El Hazard I'd go with Makoto since he seemed to be the more athletic of the two. Jinnai was only winning because Makoto ran away the entire time.
After the Alternative World, though, I'd almost certainly place my bets on Jinnai because of the incredibly high pain threshold he's developed. If collapsing walls and Shayla's fiery temper aren't enough to stop him I doubt Makoto's punches would have better luck. Plus Jinnai's physical fitness seems to have increased dramatically while Makoto has been busy researching dimensional travel in his lab.
In the Wanderers timeline, though, both Makoto and Jinnai are a bit on the scrawny side. Still, I'd go with Jinnai since he's the sneakier of the two unless Makoto is in his "rescue Rune at any cost" mode.
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To paraphrase the tick:
Makoto has Carey Grant Karma, because he always prevails, whereas Jinnai has Mussilini Karma. Everything was going great until he had a really really bad day.
In short, Jinnai might prove some difficulty to Makoto, but in the end, in a physical fight, Jinnai would be going down. Saddly I have absolutely no reasoning for this that has not already been mentioned so...
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Hmm, hard to say, hard to say. I mean, it all comes down to which series you're watching and how much credibility you put to it. ^^;
I tend to see the OAV, of course, in the lead in that respect, with perhaps Wanderers tailing close behind. It's been so long since I've seen OAV2 that I just can't offer an opinion on that... and, as expected, AW is last in the pecking order. ^^
That said...
Well, it's obvious that I'm rooting for Jinnai anyway, so color me biased. :P But really, just looking at the physical prowess of both of 'em, I'm not sure who I'm inclined to go for.
Take for example Jinnai's flashback in the first ep of the OAV when Makoto wins that distance-run-marathon thing with little difficulty, all smiles and whatnot. Then think of Jinnai stumbling up to the finish line, panting heavily and then collapsing to the ground with a dry heave. ^__^;;; Of course, he then later chases down Makoto with no hint of exhaustion, so I guess it's anybody's call. :-/ Maybe he had adrenaline on his side at that time?
In terms of Wanderers, that demi-fistfight they had before Jinnai kidnapped Rune and Nanami seemed pretty evenly matched, honestly. They both got some pretty good hits in.
Also, I had to have this pointed out to me, but it's very interesting now that I think of it. I seem to remember Makoto saying something about how incredibly heavy Ifurita is earlier in the series, but when Jinnai picks her up in the Eye of God, he lifts her with no apparent difficulty. I suppose that could conceivably be seen as evidence that Jinnai may be physically stronger than Makoto is...
Ultimately, well... my Lord God's got the ambition, at least. ;D
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well, in OVA Makoto ran from Jinnai cause he's a gentle guy (ok....a wuss, I still have this thing against him from Wanderers), so not necessarily Jinnai is stronger person
Besides, judging physically, both of them are too skinny to show signs of workout time and definitely show lack of PT time. One is too busy being nice to even consider building humself, the other too busy planning malicious plan to have exercise time.
Now, sonce physically they might be equal, the smarter one should win. We know which one that is.
Also you can live even when everybody hates you, but not when you hate everybody
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We should make a sort of "Street Fighter" esque GameEngine to handle these problems. Or convert the characters into MUGEN or KOF91 characters.
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Online 2 player one-on-one El-Hazard fighter ahoy?
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Yeah, there are a couple a fighting engines available that you can dump your own sprites into I believe? I've seen people make their own chara.
And on that note, if this fighter wwere to be on the level of something like Marvel vs Capcom, would Makoto or Jinnai be able to summon and use things like the Eye of God and Ifurita (assuming she wouldn't be in the game herself)?
Reminds of the oft rumored Capcom vs AIC game. ^_^;
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We should make a sort of "Street Fighter" esque GameEngine to handle these problems. Or convert the characters into MUGEN or KOF91 characters.
That's a great idea!
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If only I had any artistic talent to speak of. :(
Yeah, there are a couple a fighting engines available that you can dump your own sprites into I believe? I've seen people make their own chara.
And on that note, if this fighter wwere to be on the level of something like Marvel vs Capcom, would Makoto or Jinnai be able to summon and use things like the Eye of God and Ifurita (assuming she wouldn't be in the game herself)?
Reminds of the oft rumored Capcom vs AIC game. ^_^;
How dare you even suggest that Ifurita not be in the game! She's GOTTA be there! Both of her!
And the possibility that she's be an overpowered character is meaningless. If you've played Marvel vs Capcom, then you KNOW that fights that should by all rights be extremely one-sided are still playable. I wanna see a Nanami vs Ifurita grudge match where Nanami kicks Ifurita's ass! ;D
Nanami: *Standing triumphant over Ifurita's battered and unconsious form* That'll teach you to steal my boyfriend, you wind-up hussy! *Holds a ladle up in triumph* Never underestimate the power of Super Chef!
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How can I have 200 some site members but no one can edit fighting game sprites for our own amusements? ;p
I'd probably try it myself if I had time for such.
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Well, I found one neat site with a Shayla sprite. He also has Tenchi and Trigun sprites that look pretty good.
http://www.dreamwater.org/synapse/side/sidestuff.html
I might work on some El-Hazard sprites after I finish making the El-Hazard smileys. They're a tad bit more difficult than I thought... the 15 X 15 pixel size is tough to master. But give me time, I will DEFEAT it!
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Well, I found one neat site with a Shayla sprite. He also has Tenchi and Trigun sprites that look pretty good.
http://www.dreamwater.org/synapse/side/sidestuff.html
I might work on some El-Hazard sprites after I finish making the El-Hazard smileys. They're a tad bit more difficult than I thought... the 15 X 15 pixel size is tough to master. But give me time, I will DEFEAT it!
That's pretty awesome! Do you suppose this guy would be willing to design some 50-odd sprites for each character in the game? ;D
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How dare you even suggest that Ifurita not be in the game! She's GOTTA be there! Both of her!
:P Yes yes, I would wish for nothing more. Believe you me. But super powerful chara and bosses in games often get watered down. Akuma (SFII), Edge Master (Soul Calibur)...... Marvel vs Capcom being the exception, of course. ^^;;;;;
And the possibility that she's be an overpowered character is meaningless. If you've played Marvel vs Capcom, then you KNOW that fights that should by all rights be extremely one-sided are still playable. I wanna see a Nanami vs Ifurita grudge match where Nanami kicks Ifurita's ass! ;D
Nanami: *Standing triumphant over Ifurita's battered and unconsious form* That'll teach you to steal my boyfriend, you wind-up hussy! *Holds a ladle up in triumph* Never underestimate the power of Super Chef!
Thou speakest heresy!!!!!!
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Well, I found one neat site with a Shayla sprite. He also has Tenchi and Trigun sprites that look pretty good.
For our EH purpose, yes, Shayla DOES look rather nice!
I might work on some El-Hazard sprites after I finish making the El-Hazard smileys. They're a tad bit more difficult than I thought... the 15 X 15 pixel size is tough to master. But give me time, I will DEFEAT it!
Told ya though. :P
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Speaking of heresy: ;D
The landscape was charred, the result of the massive, god-like battle that had recently taken place. The once tall spires of the town were now nothing but rubble, its magnificent structures all but dust. All was silent now, in this devastated area of El-Hazard, a pure contrast from the universe-shattering fury of the previous hour.
Lying prone and beaten upon the hard, cold ground was the body of the vile Demon Beast Ifurita. Her conqueror, the vailiant Lord God Hero of All Plebians Jinnai, stood victorious above her with a mighty leg atop the evil creature's corpse.
"I bring you peace in this war-torn land," spoke the Mighty One. "With mine bare hands, I haveth slain the bionic bimbo."
And the people rejoiced, for they were happy at this outcome.
"Oh, My Lord!" cried out a humble peasant, who despite her uncanny resemblance to the Mighty One's trusted ally and confidante Diva, was someone completely different and had never met the valiant Conqueror until this very day. "Spectacular! You truly are the King of Kings!"
"Indeed," he nodded, agreement in his baritone. "It is good."
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That... was beautiful.
:'(
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Speaking of heresy: ;D
The landscape was charred, the result of the massive, god-like battle that had recently taken place. The once tall spires of the town were now nothing but rubble, its magnificent structures all but dust. All was silent now, in this devastated area of El-Hazard, a pure contrast from the universe-shattering fury of the previous hour.
Lying prone and beaten upon the hard, cold ground was the body of the vile Demon Beast Ifurita. Her conqueror, the vailiant Lord God Hero of All Plebians Jinnai, stood victorious above her with a mighty leg atop the evil creature's corpse.
"I bring you peace in this war-torn land," spoke the Mighty One. "With mine bare hands, I haveth slain the bionic bimbo."
And the people rejoiced, for they were happy at this outcome.
"Oh, My Lord!" cried out a humble peasant, who despite her uncanny resemblance to the Mighty One's trusted ally and confidante Diva, was someone completely different and had never met the valiant Conqueror until this very day. "Spectacular! You truly are the King of Kings!"
"Indeed," he nodded, agreement in his baritone. "It is good."
Demon Beast?? Sounds like you're getting your series' mixed up again, Katsy Watsy. ^_^
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*grits teeth*
Just using the most fitting description to describe that trecherous mechanized hag, Saucey-Wausey...
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Don't forget who's talking, Saucer. ;p
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*grits teeth*
Just using the most fitting description to describe that trecherous mechanized hag, Saucey-Wausey...
Heh. That was worth the price of admission. :)
Being a recovering RPGer, it's fun to see folks in the zone with their characters.
--me
Mark Engels
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Well, I found one neat site with a Shayla sprite. He also has Tenchi and Trigun sprites that look pretty good.
http://www.dreamwater.org/synapse/side/sidestuff.html
Those sprites are awesome! As a Slayers fan, I thought the Lina Inverse one was bad-ass. And the one of Excel was so kwoot! :) Of the two Shayla's I like the one with the big flame surrounding her head like a halo. How ironic.
Thanks for posting them.
--me
Mark Engels
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Don't forget who's talking, Saucer. ;p
I do not do that!
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Do I?
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I have no idea how that connects... but I was referring to your "Demon Beast?? Sounds like you're getting your series' mixed up again, Katsy Watsy. ^_^"... as in, it's irrelevant since LGJ would probably use "Demon Beast" if he so desired... or something. PULL A LAR ??? ??? ???
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I have no idea how that connects... but I was referring to your "Demon Beast?? Sounds like you're getting your series' mixed up again, Katsy Watsy. ^_^"... as in, it's irrelevant since LGJ would probably use "Demon Beast" if he so desired... or something. PULL A LAR ??? ??? ???
"PULL A LAR" ?! ?! ?! LOL! ;D
OK whatever, this thread has gone beyond normal EHOL spam standards. Getting things back on track, who do you think would win a game of chess (or some other strategy-based game) between Mizuhara and Jinnai?
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In chess, then Makoto would win. Not because he's smarter, mind you, but Jinnai would probably try to cheat instead of playing fairly. If he did, he'd probably beat the pants out of Makoto, but he's convinced himself somehow that the only way he can beat his rival is to be underhanded. By some dopey cosmic karma doohickey, Jinnai would lose and the play-fair-stupid-face Makoto would win.
Of course, in a game of Risk, Jinnai would win hands down. His strategic skills are unequaled in all of El-Hazard, and he'd be so in his element that he'd most likely NOT cheat.