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Well, can't help but stick to this webpage for hours (geez, need to study for chemE finals... :-X )
I'm referring to page 12 & 30 of the Etrangere page
(I'd like to copy & paste the link, but dunno if that will be ok)
so what do you think, I personally believe/prefer/want....
etc etc Ifurita as a single unique entity, but looking at the 2 pics if you make the same color hair, then it would be hard to tell from a distance
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FYI, it's fine to paste direct links.
http://www.el-hazardonline.net/cgi-bin/register/eholmemberfile.cgi?getfile=etranger/Etrangerpage12.jpg;type=jpeg
Alternatively, you use the url tag and enclose them:
Page 30 (http://www.el-hazardonline.net/cgi-bin/register/eholmemberfile.cgi?getfile=etranger/Etrangerpage30.jpg;type=jpeg)
etc.
But anyway...
Well, I don't know if the similarities are deliberate or not... obviously all El-Hazard characters are drawn in a similar style, and the major pivot on Wanderers is that many of the acting characters are of similar ages. Makoto and Rune are 17, Ifurita is for some reason in a design that also makes her look 17.
Perhaps because that gives her a bit of "childish innocense" that lets her get away with being the character she is. This is as opposed to the OAV Ifurita who had a more adult, dignified appearance which supported the fact she was a more complicated, serious character.
Artistic reference anyway. Not to say a 17 year old character couldn't have adult characteristics as a quirk or whatnot, but yeah.
To the original point, I never really noticed any major similiarites between them. Also keep in mind that those two specific Etranger pages for some reason chose what aren't exactly the most flattering image for either of them. ;) They were probably trying to make them look simliar as to be two opposite poles yet part of the same world or something. But in the actual show, there are many little stylizations that usually keep them fairly well apart. (Besides clothing, note Rune's slightly pointed nose, curlish hair at the bottom, etc compared to the generally more rounded and somewhat straight-black-haired Ifurita.)
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As with most anime, the chara all look pretty similar, if not the same. Hence the reason for such varied hair color/style, skin tone, eye color and costumes. It's also why many chara seem to wear the same thing 24/7. ^^;
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It's like looking at the similarities between Washu and Shayla. Or Quatre (Gundam Wing) and Julian (Cardcaptor Sakura).
Even if animes aren't made by the same companies, there are always similarities.
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That's because it all started from the common genius known as Osamu Tezuka </sister ass-kissing>
(Hope that name's spelled right. Borrowed it from the cover of Metropolis, which I've been too busy to read :-/ Must set up something...)
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That's because it all started from the common genius known as Osamu Tezuka </sister ass-kissing>
(Hope that name's spelled right. Borrowed it from the cover of Metropolis, which I've been too busy to read :-/ Must set up something...)
LOL yes you spelled it right! LOL I have you whipped into praising him on command! ^_^ NOW DO IT AGAIN! ;D
No, really his work IS excellent. I think even though anime styles reflect his, his character models were more varied. YES many had small noses and spikey hair cuts... but MANY had relatively normal hair.
(http://www.el-hazardonline.net/sarahsensei/comparisons/normalhair.gif)
He also had several characters with VERY large noses, he also made a lot of nose jokes ^_^
(http://www.el-hazardonline.net/sarahsensei/comparisons/bignoses.gif)
It's funny how they took all the weirdest stuff from his comics and set them as the standard ^_^;
After all characters like Platinum have seriously weird ass hair styles... Notice how Mr. Takama has nearly an identical hair style O_O;
(http://www.el-hazardonline.net/sarahsensei/comparisons/hair.gif)
And some features are used less... like these eyes
(http://www.el-hazardonline.net/sarahsensei/comparisons/eyes.gif)
^_^ It's interesting to see how anime styles have evolved. As for the standard anime eyes for women ^_^ you can see that in his female characters.
(http://www.el-hazardonline.net/sarahsensei/comparisons/girlseyes.gif)
My Japanese culture teacher spoke very fondly of his work and how beautifully he drew eyes. She went on and on about how big and beautiful they were and how much everyone wanted to have eyes that pretty ^_^ I agree!
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Sorry, I'm a just a tiny bit confused.
What does this Osamu Tezuka, guy have to do with Cardcaptors Sakura, Gundam Wing and Tenchi Muyo?
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Lar, child...
He's the sole reason Anime exists. He developed the inital drawing style so that many animes, including El-Hazard, Tenchi, Record of Lodoss War and so on, could be what they are.
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Now my whole world makes complete sense. :)
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Lar, child...
He's the sole reason Anime exists. He developed the inital drawing style so that many animes, including El-Hazard, Tenchi, Record of Lodoss War and so on, could be what they are.
Heh indeed ... don't forget his story telling style. He elevated manga in Japan from silly drawings to a respeceted art and story telling method. His stories explored many social and moral issues... much like many animes today.
Of course... as great as his influence is... Tezuka is not the creator of Japanese manga. A 12th centry Japanese "book" (really a scroll) called "Choju Jinbutsu Giga," is believed by to be the origin of printed manga. It featured silly charictures of animal and humans. Here is a detail called "Frolicking Animals" (it is only a detail because they were usually one long continuous picture... you read it by unrolling one end of the scroll and rerolling the other end as you went along).
(http://www.el-hazardonline.net/sarahsensei/images/frolick.jpg)
The animals here are parodying the Buddhist clergy and sham devotions. ^_^;
However I think it IS important to note that Tezuka DID open his own animation studio that produced the FIRST serialized Japanese anime "Tetsuwan Atom" (Astro Boy). ^_^
If you're still confused Lar think of him as the "Walt Disney" of Japan (I personally like Tezuka better).
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Very informative Kathy! I like the point you make about eyes. It's a very overlooked feature in anime. Kia Asamiya (Silent Mobius, Steam Detectives, Martian Sucessor Nadesico) also draws some very beautiful and detailed eyes. They really look like they have depth, 3D of sorts.
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Very informative Kathy! I like the point you make about eyes. It's a very overlooked feature in anime. Kia Asamiya (Silent Mobius, Steam Detectives, Martian Sucessor Nadesico) also draws some very beautiful and detailed eyes. They really look like they have depth, 3D of sorts.
heh speaking of pretty eyes I will now gratuitously post pretty pictures of Rock's eyes ^_^;
(http://www.el-hazardonline.net/sarahsensei/rocspictures/rockprettyeyes.jpg)
(http://www.el-hazardonline.net/sarahsensei/rocspictures/rocksoftlook.jpg)
(http://www.el-hazardonline.net/sarahsensei/rocspictures/rockdisguise.jpg)
What makes these unusual is the way his eyes are drawn... all shiny like... Tezuka changed styles sometimes to fit the story... in this story Rock is extra bishi... and a complete ass.
Heh and to make this El-Hazard realted... take a look at this:
(http://www.el-hazardonline.net/sarahsensei/rocspictures/rocksmartass.jpg)(http://www.el-hazardonline.net/El-Hazard/temp/rob/ran.jpg)
Scary no?
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EEEEEEIIIIIIIIYYYYYAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
::dives under bed::
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Well, I have to point out at this point thata year or two ago, my ex-boyfriend came over and while he was playing me computer, he asked if I wanted to read this manga comic he got out of the library. So I did, and it was the Star Wars Manga. Now, anyone who has even glanced at the inside of this comic will hopefully be able to agree with me that there are too many words, and not enough feeling in the drawings.
As it said in one of my How to draw manga books (well, it was actually Manga Mania) Anime and manga are designed to use as much emotion as possible, and to use as little words as possible. But the star wars manga was rediculous. >:(
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It was also a joke, if I remember. After all, Star Wars is technically a US live-action creation, right? :P
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Well, I have to point out at this point thata year or two ago, my ex-boyfriend came over and while he was playing me computer, he asked if I wanted to read this manga comic he got out of the library. So I did, and it was the Star Wars Manga. Now, anyone who has even glanced at the inside of this comic will hopefully be able to agree with me that there are too many words, and not enough feeling in the drawings.
As it said in one of my How to draw manga books (well, it was actually Manga Mania) Anime and manga are designed to use as much emotion as possible, and to use as little words as possible. But the star wars manga was rediculous. >:(
^^; well after all, the Star Wars manga use the complete Star Wars film scripts. Only the artwork is Japanese.
It was also a joke, if I remember. After all, Star Wars is technically a US live-action creation, right? :P
No, actually it's real. Manga verions of episodes 1 & 3-6 have been done. They're about four volumes each. I'm not sure if there is (or will be a manga of Attack of the Clones, but here is what's available so far; The Phantom Menace by Kia Asamiya, A New Hope by Hisao Tamaki, Empire Strikes Back by Toshiko Kudo and Return of the Jedi by Shinichi Hiromoto. All of them are published in english by Dark Horse.
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Okay, in a vague reference, I meant "joke" as in something someone did for laughs. The "original, official" Star Wars is the live action movie. Therefore, you take the manga version with a "grain of salt".
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Okay, in a vague reference, I meant "joke" as in something someone did for laughs. The "original, official" Star Wars is the live action movie. Therefore, you take the manga version with a "grain of salt".
Not if j00r a hardcore Star Wars fan! Which I'm not. But they do exist. I even know a few. In fact I've talked to guys in Japan who are like "Oh, you like anime? I'm not really an otaku of anime. But I am an otaku of Star Wars."
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I have to say at this point that I absolutely love anime and manga, and think that absolutely any other TV cartoon and/or cartoon series are inferior! (This excludes the following- Peanuts and The Far Side)
But Star Wars, manga, was crap! With a capital C!!!
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since there seems to be an extensive source for info regarding the old astro boy era, I might as well ask a question here...
After watching metropolis, I'm puzzled since it's said that the movie was based on the astro boy manga
When I was 10..(around 89-90's) Astro/atomic boy comic was popular at my school. I recall reading my friends comic once and there it said the astro boy was based on the son of the professor who got hit by a car.
In metropolis however, the child robot is female (Tima)...so is there actually 2 manga or is the movie totally modified?
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since there seems to be an extensive source for info regarding the old astro boy era, I might as well ask a question here...
After watching metropolis, I'm puzzled since it's said that the movie was based on the astro boy manga
When I was 10..(around 89-90's) Astro/atomic boy comic was popular at my school. I recall reading my friends comic once and there it said the astro boy was based on the son of the professor who got hit by a car.
In metropolis however, the child robot is female (Tima)...so is there actually 2 manga or is the movie totally modified?
Ummm no no no... Metropolis the movie is VERY VERY VERY VERY LOOSELY based on the Metropolis manga written by the CREATOR of Astro Boy, Osamu Tezuka.
Metropolis was one of his first really big works... so it's kinda weird. The movie is sooo incredibly loosely based on it that it makes your head hurt to think about the movie when reading the comic and vice versa.
For one... Rock is NOT in the manga... he IS a popular Tezuka character but was NOT in the original Metropolis. Duke Red, Kenichi, Shunsuke Ban, Lamp, Ham Egg and some of the others WERE in the manga...
In the manga the robot is named Michi and is both male and female...and Michi is not literally a ROBOT but an artifical being grown from artifical cells...
Duke Red is the main villan in the manga and wears all these crazy disguises... it's all very strange.
If you want a summary of it I'll write one later (no time at the moment)
I LOOOVE the movie though... heh just cos I'm obsessed with Rock ^_^ he's my fav. Tezuka character... (but I think all the people on this board have figured that out by now)
Anyhows... yes... Astro was built by Dr. Tenma to "replace" his son Tobio who died in a car accident. It takes Dr. Tenma one year to build Astro who is the world's most advanced robot.
He raises him for a while as his own son... but Tenma realizes he made a terrible mistake when he discovers that Astro will never grow... This really upsets him (remember that Tenma is a little crazy at this point) so he sells him to the circus... Astro is later rescued by Prof. Ochanomizu who takes over for Dr. Tenma as the head of the ministry of science (heh since they fire him for being... umm crazy).
Astro stories rule ^_^
but to simply answer your question the movie was LOOSELY based on the Metropolis manga not Astro...