El-Hazard Online
General => El-Hazard Online => Topic started by: dronealien on September 21, 2003, 12:14:19 am
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Ya know, if they make an OAV3 (technically ALTERNATIVE WORLD is not a continuation of OAV, just an alternate future to the OAV on TV, so to speak) I wonder if Makoto will still love Ifurita. Even if he gets her back maybe something will happen to change his mind about her. Possibly he will 'REALIZE' he doesn't really love her but just feels compassion for her, or maybe more of her emotions will emerge and she will give him up because she doesn't feel as though she deserves him. If something does cause him to give her up, can you all imagine the chaos of fans wondering the big question that will remain........So then, Shayla or Nanami? Personally I'd love to see him with Shayla, but the more enjoyable part will be seeing Shayla and Nanami rip each other to ribbons to 'obtain' him. This is all speculation of course. I mean, come on, look how long we have all had to wait for Tenchi Muyo OAV 3 to get made? It just started getting in the process about...what...a year ago? If they haven't started on El-Hazard Magnificent World OAV 3 yet....then when and if they do, think 'bout how long it'll take? I can wait, but I hope not TOO long. Of course, I'll still buy it if I'm 70 years old. ::)
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Ya know, if they make an OAV3 (technically ALTERNATIVE WORLD is not a continuation of OAV, just an alternate future to the OAV on TV, so to speak)
Well, technically, OAV2 is not an "official" continuation either, since the guy who directed the first one didn't lend his talents to the follow-ups. Alt. World is just as official as that is.
Of course, there are a lot of El-Hazard fans who WISH both OAV2 and Alt. World never happened. ;D
I wonder if Makoto will still love Ifurita. Even if he gets her back maybe something will happen to change his mind about her. Possibly he will 'REALIZE' he doesn't really love her but just feels compassion for her, or maybe more of her emotions will emerge and she will give him up because she doesn't feel as though she deserves him. If something does cause him to give her up, can you all imagine the chaos of fans wondering the big question that will remain........
Actually, this topic came up fairly recently in the "Who Gets Makoto?" thread, on about page four. It's possible that Makoto and Ifurita were never in love in the first place (as much as I like to think that they are).
So then, Shayla or Nanami? Personally I'd love to see him with Shayla, but the more enjoyable part will be seeing Shayla and Nanami rip each other to ribbons to 'obtain' him.
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Well, personally, I'd say that Nanami has a big lead on Shayla, considering that Makoto seemed to be to excited about the love letter at the beginning of OAV1.
Though if Shayla and Nanami really DO keep going at it tooth-and-nail, he'll probably get disgusted with both of them and marry Afura. :P
This is all speculation of course. I mean, come on, look how long we have all had to wait for Tenchi Muyo OAV 3 to get made? It just started getting in the process about...what...a year ago? If they haven't started on El-Hazard Magnificent World OAV 3 yet....then when and if they do, think 'bout how long it'll take? I can wait, but I hope not TOO long. Of course, I'll still buy it if I'm 70 years old. ::)
I'd say that the possibility of a third El-Hazard OAV might well be boosted if the third Tenchi OAV does well. But I'm really not going to hold my breath. ;)
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I like both OAVs. Alternative world, well... As a side story, sure. But Im not a huge fan of it as a continuity.
As for a third OAV, Here's hoping eh? If the third Tenchi OAV does well, they may decide to continue El Hazard as well. If they do, the story better be top notch :D
Makoto n Shayla could work, but I aint rooting for it. If not Ifurita, then he should be with Nanami. Besides, Shayla's mine ^^; -_- j/k
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(technically ALTERNATIVE WORLD is not a continuation of OAV, just an alternate future to the OAV on TV, so to speak)
Heh. Actually, plotwise, I think AW is supposed to come after OAV2, if that's what you're getting at. Timeline-wise even all the characters are officially aged +1 year as the AW Memories book has them noted.
But yeah, you'll want to see the "Who gets Makoto?" thread since that already went over just about everything romance-ily related to the guy. (Did it cover Xel's Special?)
And again as Raven noted anything after the original OAV (Wanderers, OAV2, AW, the manga) are all NOT produced under the direction of the original creator/director Hiroki Hayashi. Hayashi pretty much put it down as "I did it, it's done. At the end of the OAV it was over for me."
I guess that's good and bad. That probably best fits the phrase "Quit while you're ahead." Personally, though, I think if I made something so popular it demanded sequels I'd jump right up and say "Well, all right, let's take this up a notch, baby!" I think Hayashi's decision to not do anything and let it fall into other hands makes it obvious why the following "sequels" seem more like animated fan fiction.
Note that the Back to the Future crew, while not originally planning to have to make sequels, immediately got themselves geared up after realizing they had produced something that was incredibly successful. And they called up all the original actors and everything to produce an appropriate sequel (some of them even asked to make sure that Gale and Zemeckis were still heading it.) Now THAT's personally what I would've wished Hayashi would've done. If for nothing else to make sure things advance more in the original style from which they were created! ... But, what happened, happened.
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Well, I still say OAV 2 is pretty good. Not as good as the first, but still, good. ALT. WORLD just plain sucks, lets face it....it may have had mildly good stuff and a darker atmosphere as a mood change but it still deserves no less than an ALTERNATIVE to life. :|
Hmmm......what if Makoto became a vampire?
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Hmmm......what if Makoto became a vampire?
Then I think you'd better start a new topic or something... although that is very random if I may say so...
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Hmmm......what if Makoto became a vampire?
Well, since Ifurita is virtually immortal, it may not be such a bad thing to happen?
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(technically ALTERNATIVE WORLD is not a continuation of OAV, just an alternate future to the OAV on TV, so to speak)
If you look at the bottom of this page (http://www.aicanime.com/products/elhazard/index.html), there are extra credits after the Alternative World. My theory / opinion / feeling is, Alt World is less canonical than OVA2, or even the Wanderers, because AIC apparently farmed at least some of it out.
If they haven't started on El-Hazard Magnificent World OAV 3 yet....then when and if they do, think 'bout how long it'll take?
Nope. It ain't gonna happen. El-Hazard is done. Of course, I would love to be proven wrong.
And I may be shot for saying this, but an El-Hazard continuation is actually second on my wish-list. The world needs a proper Oh My Goddess! TV series first.
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If you look at the bottom of this page (http://www.aicanime.com/products/elhazard/index.html), there are extra credits after the Alternative World. My theory / opinion / feeling is, Alt World is less canonical than OVA2, or even the Wanderers, because AIC apparently farmed at least some of it out.
Heh. That page has been "Coming Soon" for about a year at least.
Anyway. The extra credits may or may not have to do with the plot lines. Although that might explain something. It could also be they were just resource teams and had nothing to do with the preproduction. But actually, either way, it WOULD explain the odd art styles if they did the animation or the not-so-El-Hazard-ish plot if they worked on that.
And I may be shot for saying this, but an El-Hazard continuation is actually second on my wish-list. The world needs a proper Oh My Goddess! TV series first.
It's okay. Personally I'm afraid what will happen if they try going any farther. :P
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eheem...
The end of Magnificent World or the first OAV simply answers our questions...
After Makoto discovered the secrets of the Eye of God and returns to Shinonome high and meets Ifurita, the other personalities came over too..
Therefore, its is not only Makoto who returned to the EARTH but also the priestesses, royal ones, nanami, jinnai, fugisawa and even DIVA!!
My point is we already saw the ending of the OAV.
(http://www.el-hazardonline.net/El-Hazard/temp/forum_users/iria-sama2.gif)
(http://www.el-hazardonline.net/El-Hazard/temp/forum_users/iria-sama3.jpg )
Yuba and his Ifurita on the OAV 2 is like Makoto and his Ifurita.. Makoto will age; Ifurita doesn't...
Ifurita will be on his side till he dies...
Ifuritas always end up alone....
GETS?? ;D
P.S. : I dont like Qwawool being paired with Makoto. She should be with Emperor Dal.
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A lot of the "top names" have stated they believe that the watercolors at the end of the OAV are merely "fanart" type things, not really to be taken as canon. I mean, it'd be totally irresponsible for the high priestesses to leave their posts in El-Hazard on a whim. Alielle certainly wouldn't be there without Fatora, which almost guarentees the only she could be there is if Fatora came along, which would steal a princess away from the royal palace. Again, something that couldn't be done lightly.
Anyway, I THINK what is supposed to be hinted about the Earth crew who arrived to El-Hazard is that they "belong" there. Their lives on Earth were full of nothing but disaster... but when they come to El-Hazard, they're full potential is realized and they are heroes. So, in the end, the manga, which is unofficial too, of course, but bear with me, the author had Makoto come for Ifurita ... and then take her home -- to "their" home -- El-Hazard. To be honest, I'm not sure WHAT the watercolors were all about. But I really doubt they are actually saying that EVERYONE goes back to Earth.
Also, even though almost every girl who is an Ifurita fan will strongly protest any threat of Makoto+Ifurita... well, read "Who Gets Makoto?" for everything on that one. :P Basically, I think it's still up in the air (and indefinite no matter what) whether Makoto is actually "in love" with Ifurita or just deeply worries and cares for her out of sympathy. The OAV actually never addressed this in either direction so we're free to debate it forever. ;) It also gives us a chance to pair Makoto with whoever we think he should be paired with... all in good fun, of course. (Hi, Xel.)
(http://www.el-hazardonline.net/El-Hazard/temp/forum_users/iria-sama2.gif)
Also, what is this from?
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*thinks a lot*
Why wont we contact Hidetomo Tsubura and ask him what is the real conclusion bout this? ;D
hehheee.
That pic is one of my el hazard Japanese Color scan collection.... Its not a fanart. Want to see the full size version?
See it here --> http://www.geocities.com/knights_of_queen_aya/coav.jpg
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I don't believe I've heard of this one. I see "CD-ROM" written there... what is it, a picture CD collection or something?
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Its a preview of the OAV....
And thats the whole ending...
Check this out
http://www.geocities.com/knights_of_queen_aya/84.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/knights_of_queen_aya/85.jpg
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What was it, like a VCD or something?
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I guess the links are broken sorry...
ROB, it is not a VCD cover or somthin... Its a preview of the OVA.. A Summary...
ONLY on JAPAN
Do you want it? I'll give it to ya...
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No, the links aren't broken. (Although being Geocities they must be copy+pasted into a blank browser window lest they trigger Geocities anti-offsite linking policy.)
I've circled what's throwing me off:
(http://www.el-hazardonline.net/El-Hazard/temp/rob/thatpart.JPG)
"CD-ROM". That's all.
But okay. So it's not a disk. Just a booklet or something then?
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I'm a little confused... ^^;
The image in question, I'm pretty sure was an advertisement for an El-Hazard CD-Rom. I have a couple different ones (Adverts, not CD's). I know that there was a "Visual File CD-ROM" for Win '95(Basically a giant promo Cd with Art, story stuff, etc.), but whether this particular ad is for that CD, I'm unsure. It seems unlikely as the ads I have have conflicting release dates.
See it here --> http://www.geocities.com/knights_of_queen_aya/coav.jpg
As for this particular ad, It wouldn't surprise me in the least that this was for an Official AIC release of El-Hazard on CD-Rom (A.K.A. Computer VCD's) considering what a technophile haven Japan is and how many formats that consumers support there. Semi-decent Quality CD-Roms may just be the alternative for consumers who either didn't have LD or DVD or, more importantly, couldn't AFFORD DVD and LD (Considering that 30 minute tapes and discs cost the equlivilent of an average of 40-60 US dollars.)
Check this out
http://www.geocities.com/knights_of_queen_aya/84.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/knights_of_queen_aya/85.jpg
This is throwing me off, because this isn't part of any Cd's. They're art book pages. Unless I missed part of the conversation. ???
Anyway, Robbie, nice job over the last few months. You've really stuck with it with the the Site. Makes me want to get off my lazy backside and finish up and revamp my own stuff. *Thinks to self* Really must apologize to Aaron for vanishing for 2 months...again...
Anyway, kudos.
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Grrrr... curse you, Makoto!
How dare you say "kudos" in my presence!
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Iria please update your links... We can't access it..
That, probably is a preview of the OAV..
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That "CD-ROM" thing there is only a part of the advertisement but the whole image itself is from a preview of the OAV.. It's in a comic form...
SEE? Ifurita and Makoto...
Then, the others come along with them...
And those water-colored images on the end of the OAV, I protest that it is only a fanart...
Try this link
http://www.geocities.com/knights_of_queen_aya/ehem.htm
[Rob edit: corrected URL]
ITS IS NOT AN ARTBOOK, ok?
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SEE? Ifurita and Makoto...
Then, the others come along with them...
And those water-colored images on the end of the OAV, I protest that it is only a fanart...
I assume you mean that you're protesting someone could callously write it off as mere fanart.
Well, for starters I'd like to remind you one thing I've learned in business such as this -- a variety of people have their own opinions/fantasies about how they think things should be.
Even take me for example; sure, under first initial viewing, the whole Makoto/Ifurita thing was beautiful and probably would bring tears to anyone's eyes. Initially.
But you watch it a few times. You learn to "feel" for all the characters in the show. And then you start looking at the passionate yet somehow tragic figures who pour their hearts into an unreceiver (Makoto). I think a lot of us want to see all of them get a chance to at least feel love. Maybe it'll turn out they aren't really in to Makoto the way they thought and that'll be the end of it. Who knows? To be honest, I'd like to see Nanami get somebody -- I think a lover could twist off some of that strict money-maker silliness. I dunno. This is way off topic... let's not continue this discussion here any further. If you wish to argue it to death, continue in "Who gets Makoto?" But I'd advise you just learn to promote your own feelings but not try to subdue others'. :P
Okay. It's a preview for the OAV. I was just thrown off by the "CD-ROM" thing. We're fine. :P
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That "CD-ROM" thing there is only a part of the advertisement but the whole image itself is from a preview of the OAV.. It's in a comic form...
SEE? Ifurita and Makoto...
Then, the others come along with them...
And those water-colored images on the end of the OAV, I protest that it is only a fanart...
Actually, I did find some info on the CD-Rom release of the First OVA. Unfortunately, the page is in Japanese, but it does show the cover and the interface.
http://www.clubhobi.jp/products/kus/kus_ee/
The only reason I point it out is that it doesn't seem so far-fetched that the comic-ad in question was advertising this particular release.
Try this link
http://www.geocities.com/knights_of_queen_aya/ehem.htm
[Rob edit: corrected URL]
ITS IS NOT AN ARTBOOK, ok?
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Actually, yes it is. It's page 44 of the "Etranger" Artbook, and the other image(From a previous post) is page 45. I'm pretty sure Rob has it here.
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Actually, yes it is. It's page 44 of the "Etranger" Artbook, and the other image(From a previous post) is page 45. I'm pretty sure Rob has it here.
Ha. Good point there "Mak Daddy". :P
Page 44 (http://www.el-hazardonline.net/cgi-bin/register/eholmemberfile.cgi?getfile=etranger/Etrangerpage44.jpg;type=jpeg)
Page 45 (http://www.el-hazardonline.net/cgi-bin/register/eholmemberfile.cgi?getfile=etranger/Etrangerpage45.jpg;type=jpeg)
And that CD per your link seems at least mildly interesting. Maybe I'll look into it more some time.
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Ha. Good point there "Mak Daddy".
Page 44
Page 45
And that CD per your link seems at least mildly interesting. Maybe I'll look into it more some time.
Um... right back at ya "Robby-kins" ^^;
As for the CD-Rom itself, I'm not gonna say that the Ad-comic in question is an Ad for that particular CD, but it seems pretty feasible, or at least it may be an ad for some form of El-Hazard on CD-Rom.
Considering that the release date on the Ad in question is March of '97, it seems unlikely that it's a "Preview" of the series (it came out in '95 as we both know). It could be a preview of OVA 2 (Which did come out in '97) but it seems odd to not see the number "2" anywhere in the Ad or anything from OVA 2 in general. :|
It just looks to me, in my opinion, like an ad hyping up the re-release of El-Hazard on a new format.
Of course, this is all speculation seeing as I don't read Japanese.
Probably the best way to clear up any confusion would to write AIC and ask 2 questions:
"Did you ever Release El-Hazard on Japanese CD-Rom?"
"If so did you advertise it?"
Hey... wait a sec... :-* Why doesn't someone do just that?
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So then, I guess we no longer have a problem here... ;)
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^^; Fine, fine, fine! Let's go back to the topic, ok? ^^;
Ya know, if they make an OAV3 (technically ALTERNATIVE WORLD is not a continuation of OAV, just an alternate future to the OAV on TV, so to speak) I wonder if Makoto will still love Ifurita. Even if he gets her back maybe something will happen to change his mind about her. Possibly he will 'REALIZE' he doesn't really love her but just feels compassion for her, or maybe more of her emotions will emerge and she will give him up because she doesn't feel as though she deserves him. If something does cause him to give her up, can you all imagine the chaos of fans wondering the big question that will remain........So then, Shayla or Nanami? Personally I'd love to see him with Shayla, but the more enjoyable part will be seeing Shayla and Nanami rip each other to ribbons to 'obtain' him. This is all speculation of course. I mean, come on, look how long we have all had to wait for Tenchi Muyo OAV 3 to get made? It just started getting in the process about...what...a year ago? If they haven't started on El-Hazard Magnificent World OAV 3 yet....then when and if they do, think 'bout how long it'll take? I can wait, but I hope not TOO long. Of course, I'll still buy it if I'm 70 years old. ::)
If Makoto+Ifurita won't work because Ifurita is a very advanced lifeform on El Hazard (android), i love to see Nanami and Makoto instead. If the people of the world will still be stubborn of the Ifurita+Makoto pairing, well... ;D I'll have no choice! Ifurita+Makoto, they really look so good together...
People, do you ever remember during Ifurita fell to the center of the Kami no Meia? Makoto and Ifurita exchanged some memories, right? Did you ever saw that memory Makoto shared to Ifurita? That they walked down on Shinonome together and Fugisawa caught them dating?
GOSH!
Watashiwa no Opinion only... No offfense
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Makoto was lending her memories. I.E. I suspect he was placing her in situations he had already been in with another friend, possibly Nanami in many cases. :P
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Actually, I did find some info on the CD-Rom release of the First OVA. Unfortunately, the page is in Japanese, but it does show the cover and the interface.
http://www.clubhobi.jp/products/kus/kus_ee/
The title at the top of that page is
OVA "El-Hazard" bijutsu CD-ROM shuu
El-Hazard OVA art CD-ROM collection.
I only skimmed this topic-- if a further translation of that page would be helpful, let me know.
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People, do you ever remember during Ifurita fell to the center of the Kami no Meia?
*giggles* Okay, it's "Kami no Me", but I thought that was so cute because-- correct me if I'm wrong-- it sounds like you could have derived that from Makoto saying "Kami no me ya!" as per his adorable Osaka dialect. ^__^
Makoto's accent is the cutest thing ever. <3
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AYA MIKAGE....
Kami no Meia?
Wahahhahaha!!!
:o :) :D ;D
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Thats enough Ragnarok!
Aya might have commited a mistake. You can laugh there at your seat with all your emotions but you can't express it here... >:(
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-.- Getting back to CD-roms, a couple years back AIC relesed a CD-rom that featured alot of interactive art, storyboards, artboards, conceptual drawings, etc..... from the entire El Hazard franchise. I always wanted to get it, but I wasn't sure where to find it. Or if it's even still available. Cost a pretty penny, I'm sure. ^^;
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XD I really hope that the whole franchise will revive cuz El Hazard still rocks.. Or mybe they should add/make additional storylines that would finish the whole EL Hazard story just like Dragon Ball Anime...
I hope they will include Ifurita's past and her possible future..
I want to see who really gets Makoto's attention... :-[
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I hope they will include Ifurita's past and her possible future..
The manga delves deeper into Ifurita's backstory. It's classic scripture for Iffy fans. ;D
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Yeah me too!
I want to know who made Ifurita, if she's a human before she became a very advanced lifeform...
I want to know if there's a male demon god.. female demon gods became too lame to me. . .
I also want to know what really happened to Kalia and Ifurita (OAV2). I WANT TO SEE THE ACTION!! YEAH ;D
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I want to know if there's a male demon god.. female demon gods became too lame to me. . .
There was one in the manga...
He was not cute and fanservicy like the women...
It made me sad...
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There was one in the manga...
He was not cute and fanservicy like the women...
It made me sad...
True. He DID have a great Arabian look to him, though. Like some kind of palace eunich.
And the way that he always kept his eyes closed, and saw using his third eye was kinda freaky-cool.
But, yeah, he was by no means meant as eye-candy for the ladies.
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But, yeah, he was by no means meant as eye-candy for the ladies.
Not like Jinnai. <3
Stud.
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Is it just me, or was Jinnistacia really unlikeable? I mean, she's not cute like Kalia or sexy like Ifurita. She's just..........evil in a Card Captor Sakura outfit.
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Is it just me, or was Jinnistacia really unlikeable? I mean, she's not cute like Kalia or sexy like Ifurita. She's just..........evil in a Card Captor Sakura outfit.
Admittedly the other two demon gods were depicted in such a way that you COULDN'T like them.
I still can't believe how high a standard you hold Kalia. ;) Although I can't argue that she certainly has an exotic, spunky kind of look to 'er.
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I want to see a new demon god... probably better than Ifurita and kalia combined --> a male of course ; a damn good-lookin one..
|D ;D :D
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Not like Jinnai. <3
Stud.
Damn straight.
I should charge you broads a fee just for lookin at me. Honestly, I can't believe I'm giving this all away.
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I want to see a new demon god... probably better than Ifurita and kalia combined --> a male of course ; a damn good-lookin one..
|D ;D :D
Ragnarok Addict, Tsuzuki Asato and Aya mentioned a lot about Ifurita and her fellow demon gods. Folks like Saucer, Adcock and I are very much Ifurita fans. For those of you who might be interested in a story depicting Ifurita's past and how it affected her relationship with Makoto, I submit Ken Wolfe's feature length epic for your consideration:
http://www.mts.net/~kenwolfe/fanfic.html
In fact, in the end of Ken's "Earth" series, a new male demon god is introduced. And the price getting there is worth the price of admission. ;)
--me
Mark Engels
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Damn straight.
I should charge you broads a fee just for lookin at me. Honestly, I can't believe I'm giving this all away.
It's because as a great and powerful leader, your generosity is a powerful asset and would ensure the devotion of your subjects!
Though I'd obey you no matter what, of course. Only I and I alone have the right to serve Lord Jinnai for this very reason! And maybe Iffy. Let all those whose devotion falls short of overwhelming perish under the benevolent heel of my sovereign and GOD!
... Er, I'm not overexcited or anything tonight. :|
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Makoto, Makoto, for me put a ribbon on top of his head and give him as a present to anyone, but if i have to pick him for one of the girls, I choose Nanami She saw him first ;). Shayla Get a better one!!! Ifurita, you are gonna live for ever and his is not, so replace love with chocolate!!
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Wow, this is an old thread. I actually skimmed for awhile after I joined and still didn't see this one. *chuckles*
Interesting topic, though... especially some of the earlier discussion. I always figured Makoto and Ifurita were (in TMW, of course) some sort of "destined couple"... going back in time to wait ten millenia for someone is about the closest thing to love and devotion you're going to get. On the other hand... their feelings and "romance" blossomed during roughly two hours of actual time together, heh, so it's hard to say.
If there was going to be another El Hazard series (which is very unlikely, considering how unsuccessful the most recent ones were-- which is a shame, as the series had so much potential), I'd like it to feature a different romance (besides Ifurita and Rune, anyway). If it has Qawoor, then it'll probably be her (as much as I hate the character)-- Nanami, being the "childhood sweetheart," is automatically destined to lose unless the new El Hazard would be a dedicated shoujo series; Alielle doesn't lean that way, Afura never really seemed interested, and Shayla's mine. :D
Anyway, the whole reason I posted was that one of my favorite things about the original OAV series was the "love triangle"-- even though Ifurita winning was a foregone conclusion, it was cool to see a web of romantic interests going that was actually paced well and pretty realistic (especially compared to, say, Tenchi Muyo! or Love Hina's manga). And the fact that none of the other series played on that nearly as well-- despite having so many more episodes to work with-- was a travesty.
And, finally (yes, rant almost over ;D), that's a good point about Ifurita, and reminds me about something I discussed with some of my D&D players (using Humans and Elves rather than superpowered killer androids-- relationships wouldn't develop between them for the very pertinent and serious reason that their time together would be about a lunch hour in the immortal creature's lifespan... and why make a 'promise for forever' with someone who's just going to die?).
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If it has Qawoor, then it'll probably be her
I've thought about writing a Makoto & Kauru pairing in the past (albeit a dark, angsty one that probably would end with Makoto and Ifurita together), but when I rewatch "The Magnificent World" and am reminded of the beautiful bond between Makoto and Ifurita I hesitate, question whether or not I should 'taint' their relationship, and eventually dissuade myself until the lovely memory of Makoto and Ifurita begins to wane and the Makoto x Kauru thoughts resurface again.
Still, my own reluctance notwithstanding, I agree with you. Under current circumstances, I think that if Makoto ends up with anybody other than Ifurita, it'll probably be Kauru (however you spell her name). While Nanami and Makoto would be cute, it just doesn't seem likely. Perhaps in a parallel universe where the Shinonome gang wasn't dragged into El-Hazard, but in the OAV timeline? As for Shayla, I simply have a hard time seeing them together as a serious couple. What would they talk about over dinner, for example? Maybe if they had more scenes together where they actually talk without the impending doom of the world hanging over them and with Shayla being herself this might be a little easier to picture.
and why make a 'promise for forever' with someone who's just going to die?
"Better to have loved and lost than to have never loved at all."
While that may be the rational way of looking at it, from the perspective of those in love that "lunch hour" of time might just be worth it. A few minutes of happiness in exchange for an eternity of sadness might look like a bad deal, but to actually be in love, feel love, experience love, share love, and just to love, even if it's only for a brief interlude in the grand scheme of things...perhaps it ultimately is a good deal.
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Immortals and love> One of the problems with characters like Ifurita and fictional races like elves is that the creators of those characters don't really seem to have any good concept of what it really means to be immortal. Basically, they end up being "just like us, except they live a really, really long time". If immortal elves really existed, they'd probably have mental processes a lot different from what we're used to, to accomodate the extended lifespan.
Anyway, as for Ifurita, I really don't think it matters too much that she's going to outlive Makoto. Other than the fact that she'll be sad after he's gone (for a while, anyway), it doesn't change the fact that they love each other now.
And, anyway, it was never stated that Ifurita was immortal. In fact, it's quite possible that she's nearing the end of her lifespan, as well. Certainly after ten thousand years of waiting, I'll bet her warranty has expired. ;D Perhaps it's Makoto who should be worrying about outliving Ifurita...
Qawoor and love> The trouble with Qawoor as a romantic interest for Makoto is that her love for him is completely unfocused. Yes, she loves him. But that love is very vague... Her love could be of the romantic sort, certainly, but her attitude could be interpreted as the love of a friend, or possibly even a sister. She strikes me as the sort who would be perfectly happy if Makoto were to strike it up with Nanami or Shayla or anyone else, so long as everyone was made happy by it. Even if Makoto DID choose her as a love interest, she'd see nothing wrong with sharing him around with anyone that wanted him. Just as long as it makes people happy.
Makoto: Qawoor, I choose you.
Qawoor: I'm so happy!
*Later*
Qawoor: Nanami, you look so sad and lonely. Would you like to sleep with my husband?
Nanami: O_o
Makoto: O_o
Tell me you can't see that happening... :P
That's one of the reasons why Qawoor is pretty much the ultimate fantasy girl. She has no real sense of personal pride, and if she has any personal desires, they ALWAYS take second place to everyone else's. You can use her and throw her away, and she won't really be unhappy as long as you're happy. Her happiness is entirely dependent on your happiness. It's a good thing for her that Makoto is not that kind of guy.
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That's one of the reasons why Qawoor is pretty much the ultimate fantasy girl. She has no real sense of personal pride, and if she has any personal desires, they ALWAYS take second place to everyone else's. You can use her and throw her away, and she won't really be unhappy as long as you're happy. Her happiness is entirely dependent on your happiness.
Interesting hair, though.
dooky
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On love and immortality, let's not forget that when dealing with couples like Makoto & Ifurita or Parn & Deedlit (Record of Lodoss War) we're dealing with a uniquely Japanese concept. The concept that love exists in the moment, and neither the past nor future matters. New fans sometimes inquire as to why an a person in anime or manga will hook up with someone who's practically young enough to be their child. Because what matters is fulfilling that love and enjoying your time together, no matter how much pain or suffering their may be later. Because nothing hurts worse than unrequited love. Just look at Ueda and Rumi from Chobits, who face an age gap of almost 25 years. Or Noboyuki and Achika from Tenchi Muyo in Love 1, the later of whom knows she isn't even going to live to see her child grow up.
So that's what makes Makoto and Ifurita's relationship so endearing. Because, whether Ifurita dies a few years or a few millenia after Makoto, they have formed a bond with each other stronger than any other. And fulfilling that love is what's most important.
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Hi,
long time fan of the series, first time poster here. I think Saucer hit the nail on the head with his post about having to look at it from the perspective of the people whoe wrote it. Vis a vis, a japanese perspective, meaning that however fleeting, love does not need to follow considerations like "life expectancy", or "fairness"
Anyway, a couple things I'd like to point out about the possibility of a followon for El hazard. Now, this is not me just being a hopeful fan, this is me being realistic about the industry. First off, El Hazard is considered (as we know) a fairly definative work of anime (the first series is what I'm talking about of course) and given the huge explosion of popularity in anime, I think that in the next few years we should not be surprised if we find out that a new OAV series for El Hazard comes out.
Okay, that said, what about the love triangle stuff?
*sigh*
I think it's pretty clear what happens if you've watched the first series... and read between the lines.
The final scene is the watercolor where Makoto and Ifurita are just about to kiss. Of course the logical anti argument is that they never actually show them kissing... so how do we know there were going to. And of course, this gets back to the whole "japanese" thing. Kissing in front of other people is pretty much unacceptable socially, and in fact you'll notice that just about every mainstream anime never shows two main characters actually kiss. (For example, Love Hina, Ranma, Slayers, ect ect) Instead, they get the characters right up to the point of kissing and then freeze that moment. It's full of anticipation, and that's better than any kiss ever could be.
However, the question about immortality is a sticky one, how can they be together if he's gonna die, leaving her behind. After all, didn't the other Ifurita get left behind when her love interest dies in the second OAV?
Well, I submit that what we saw was a significantly different relationship develop there. The Ifurita of the second OAV was very much colder than the Ifurita we saw Makoto awake beneath Shinanomi HS. Try watching that scene, and you'll see that the humanlike traits were far more pronounced, where the Ifurita guarding the trigger of destruction was far colder and more mechanical. Obviously something is very different about how Makoto's Ifurita and the other Ifurita have matured. Someone postulated that perhaps she was becoming more human by being on earth. Well, to that I must point out that she was there for 10,000 years.. and she was still inhuman enough to have her demon god powers.
Okay, so, my theory... First off, I think that the powers each of the Earthlings got when they showed up in ElHazard have been changing as time went by. First off, Fujisawa, his strength increased when he dried out... and toward the end his power was visibly manifesting itself. Kinda spooky really, kinda makes you wonder what would happen over time if he was kept on a strict purification regime really. Then there is Nanami, initially, she could just see through the illusions of the Phantom tribe ( the scene with the female assassin at the hot springs)... and later on she could just step right into the vicinity of one of the illusions and break it. (Think of the throne room scene where Gallus had the three priestesses bedeviled)
So it could be argued that perhaps Makoto's own powers are in the process of growing and changing him. Perhaps there's more to the opening scene showing him flying that immediately meets the eye.
If this turned out to be the case, well.... I think that that'd take care of any lingering issues that might exist between him and Ifurita. They'd be a matched set, more or less.
But whether he just feels sympathy toward iffy... or true love.... well... I think that sorta answers itself... Makoto and her touched souls, laying bare all that she'd done, and he created a place in his life (even if it was only invented between them) so that she could have a possible past that didn't include being a killer. That's more than just sympathy. That sort of sharing speaks a lot more eloquently then any love poem.
Anyway... just my take on the triangle. I think if they do a follow on though, that it'll include Iffy's return, and the fallout that follows.
Personally, I'd like to see them draw more from the mythos that Ifurita comes from (The Zoroastrian and indo iraq/iranian mythos). What'd be cool is if they had Makoto fall into the role of Saoshyant, who (in the Indo Iranian/Iraqi mythology) was the goddly human who leads the forces of good in the final battle which destroys the forces of evil and delivers the world. This would fit perfectly with an El Hazard follow on, one where Katsuhito does something stupid, like waking up yet another demongod, only this one is one who is hell bent on waking up all the rest of the demon gods on el hazard so that they can finally finish the holy wars they started a long time ago.
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I told you. It's all about Makoto, and Jinnai, and awww yeah. *dubious hip thrusts*
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Hey Yo! I'm a long time fan but a first time poster. And I'd like to say that I'd love to see a 3rd OVA to El Hazard just as there is to Tenchi Muyo! But what I'd like to see in it, I'd like to see more of Fujisawa and Meeze, like where they left off before the story of Makoto.
You know I chose those two myself! I'm sick of people calling up and
saying I don't have a passion for music and that I have a face for radio.
What's that about?!-LAZLOW
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Hey Yo! I'm a long time fan but a first time poster. And I'd like to say that I'd love to see a 3rd OVA to El Hazard just as there is to Tenchi Muyo! But what I'd like to see in it, I'd like to see more of Fujisawa and Meeze, like where they left off before the story of Makoto.
You know I chose those two myself! I'm sick of people calling up and
saying I don't have a passion for music and that I have a face for radio.
What's that about?!-LAZLOW
Welcome to the board kajishima_masaki!