Ha! If the first topic wasn't enough..(Douji x 3)

[Captain Southbird (EHOL Creator)]

Awww, but doujinshi isn't REAL pr0n! (I know, TEH LAW The Mighty Word of Parental Discretion says it is, for the most part... but really.

Yes, I know.  I was just exaggerating the point.  I was more into the give me your credit card number for my spending pleasure bit.  

2D and paper and screentone aside, how often do you see some of this stuff *coughAfuraShaylacough* happening in real live porn-o'-graphy?  ;;

Be careful what you ask for.  Because uh... that is sort of available.  I mean, they don't change sexes in realtime, but ... the combination ... yeah.

[Saucer]

I don't show up for a whole day again, and I miss out on a discussion! Guess that's the pace things move at on the web. Well, I know we're trying to move past this. So, you can skip this post if you want but......

I'm from San Francisco (well, actually a little farther down the peninsula. but close enough for the purposes of this discussion) so I'm pretty tolerant of every manner of gender deviation (with-in legal lmits and general reason). Kinda have to be, in this area. But yes, shounen ai gives me the heebie jeebies, too. I'm sorry, but I'm a straight male. I have no desire to watch two guys make out. Does that make me a homophobe? In some people's eyes. Let 'em eat cake. I gotten alot of flack at another board where I was moderating the hentai section. There was a hentai pic post thread, and I had instituted a rule that pics had to be posted in differing thread according to content. Several members, including myself, were growing weary of stumbling across raunchy shounen ai pics in thread. So, you call me a homophobe for not wanting to look at that? Please.

On the other hand, I simply love lesbians. Does that make me a hypocrite? I'm a straight male, as I said before. What else can I say? Call me what you will. I know plenty of women who don't like lesbians, but love watching gay men. Are they hypocrites, too? I heard, and reasoned out, good explanations for why men like lesbians and why women like gays. But we can get inot that later if anyone is interested. I think this off-topic thread has already gone on far too long.

But one more thing.... about your story Rob. I'm sorry man. But, for what it's worth, she did you a favor man. I know it sounds trite, but it really is true. I got dumped for a complete and total loser by my last girlfriend. It made me feel like shit for a long time. But in the end, I realized, do I really want to be with a selfish and naive person like that. Decent chaps, such as ourselves, aren't seserving of such treatment. Ya know. *SHRUGS*

That reminds me of the time when my friends and I were in my dorm watching Gravitation.

Our friend Matt was with us cos he was bored... we got through the first full episode and at the very end the two lead males helped themselves to a big smooch ^_^;

Matt (the only male in the room) screamed "AAAHH GAYNESS!"

Amy: "umm... didn't you NOTICE that they were flirting throughout the whole first episode?"

Matt:  "no... "

The funniest thing of all, was he stayed to watch the next episode ^_^;

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!! As soon as I saw the first line, I was LMAO. Tell me, why are all shounen ai series about a rock band?

Reminds me of the time, I was watching a movie with a girl I liked at my house. It was Chuck and Buck. O_O;;; Little did I know..... Never been more embarrased in my entire life.

[Lord God Jinnai]

Reminds me of the time, I was watching a movie with a girl I liked at my house. It was Chuck and Buck. O_O;;; Little did I know..... Never been more embarrased in my entire life.

Man that was a CREEPY movie. Not only is it about gay stuff, but FREAKY STALKER gay stuff.

I had watched that movie with a group of mixed company (two girls, three guys) and let me tell you, that was a bizarre experience into of itself. While the movie was playing, all the girls were going, "Awww, poor guy," and "Awww, that's so sad," while the reactions of the males in the room ranged from startled disbelief to sheer knuckle-clenching fright.

Yep, men and women truly are different.

[Captain Southbird (EHOL Creator)]

I'm from San Francisco (well, actually a little farther down the peninsula. but close enough for the purposes of this discussion) so I'm pretty tolerant of every manner of gender deviation (with-in legal lmits and general reason). Kinda have to be, in this area. But yes, shounen ai gives me the heebie jeebies, too. I'm sorry, but I'm a straight male. I have no desire to watch two guys make out. Does that make me a homophobe? In some people's eyes. Let 'em eat cake. I gotten alot of flack at another board where I was moderating the hentai section. There was a hentai pic post thread, and I had instituted a rule that pics had to be posted in differing thread according to content. Several members, including myself, were growing weary of stumbling across raunchy shounen ai pics in thread. So, you call me a homophobe for not wanting to look at that? Please.

On the other hand, I simply love lesbians. Does that make me a hypocrite? I'm a straight male, as I said before. What else can I say? Call me what you will. I know plenty of women who don't like lesbians, but love watching gay men. Are they hypocrites, too? I heard, and reasoned out, good explanations for why men like lesbians and why women like gays. But we can get inot that later if anyone is interested.

Well, I got nervous about the topic before, but I guess I'm getting some reinforcement.  Yes, it's just a general thing I guess.  A typical straight male just only cares about what happens with women, whether because of him, or because of one of their own kind, or whatever.  But another guy just won't do it for us (if not cause us to reject the image) simply because I suppose we're not wired to respond that way.  In fact, it might even have to do with the basic biological implementation that's supposed to make sure the species reproduce.  Of course women turn us on; they're the only ones we can procreate with.  Of course then we reject males because I guess nothing gets accomplished.  Not to make this into a "homosexuality is not natural and therefore punishable by death" thing, I swear; I'm just trying to write the basic below-conscious level rulings of the brain... basically the rules that are supposed to guide us no matter how knowledge-insufficent we are.  That is, even someone who is completely isolated from all knowledge of sex is going to figure it out sooner or later whether he/she means to or not.  In fact, I'm evidence of discovering the operation myself... yes.   [To borrow from Mr. What]

So, anyway.  We're probably designed with a drive to make sure we end up on the "right" side of things.  Actually, this pre-programming may even explain the area where hetero/bi/homosexuality exists.  A particular polarization or defunct ruleset of the subconscious, where a mismatch for your gender causes homosexuality and for some reason the rule being defunct altogether makes you go either way.  Just like masochists are typically in to it because their pleasure and pain centers are cross-wired.  (Which I suppose is the basis of that masochist Ifurita story; pleasure from all her pain made her work in the first place. [To borrow from Mr. What again]  Of course, this is just a theory, and you'll do what you will with it.

But one more thing.... about your story Rob. I'm sorry man. But, for what it's worth, she did you a favor man. I know it sounds trite, but it really is true. I got dumped for a complete and total loser by my last girlfriend. It made me feel like shit for a long time. But in the end, I realized, do I really want to be with a selfish and naive person like that. Decent chaps, such as ourselves, aren't seserving of such treatment. Ya know. *SHRUGS*

Yeah, well, it's all in the past now, for the most part.  Except for a dream I had not too long ago which featured me going Jinnai on a mall crowd over a reenactment of the event, I've generally restabalized mentally.  Although interestingly I think I came out of it with a higher confidence level, a bit more aggression, and a slight scale of perversion previously subdued.  (Technically I'd say she was the first to make mild perversion out to be okay from the previous series fandom I was involved in, based on not-really-hentai hentai [US-based cartoon series])

But let's put it this way; the aggression and confidence that made me go around and flaunt this site to others and search engines is what made it good enough to get to this point today.    Now if only I had more time... or someone is interested in becoming a secondary site aid.  I mean, not to stray into a third topic, but there's not much to it.  The pages are all templated and generated via CGI... well, another time maybe.

[larewen_evenstar]

Well, Rob made me look through them. Then half way through I realised my dad has the 'history' button, and he could check that I was looking at them. I think I got to the Miz and Fujisawa one.

[kiddo]

Heheh... what a discussion to miss.

(NOTE: To anyone who wants to act like they're in a dojin, I would gladly-::shot:: )

... Anyway, sadly, I am waiting for my pr0n-collecting computer to be able to collect pr0n again, so I'll have to wait... oooh, the pain... ;-;

[larewen_evenstar]

You know, when I saw kiddo had posted I was really worried.  

[kiddo]

Yes. Be very afraid when I post. It's more than likely 50 times as perverse as you'd ever wish something to be.

[larewen_evenstar]

*thinks personal thoughts* In some ways, there is only one thing more perverse than my mind...a porn channel...

[kiddo]

Actually, most American porn channels are boring. Just random clips of naked men and women jumping up and doen tastelessly, with no plot or even hot bodies. :/

.... DON'T ask how I know. ;P

[larewen_evenstar]

You've been watching porn again, haven't you?  

[Xel]

Meh. Well, while I personally don't buy your theory, Rob (I consider personal human tastes and preferences as a little more intricate than simply being the way we're biologically programmed), I suppose I can see where you're coming from. But to keep this, er... less dangerous, just chalk it up to simply what does it for ya and what doesn't.  ;;

One thing I've always thought was interesting is the widely-accepted love that guys have for lesbians, while a lot of other girls tend to look at me funny over my yaoi thing. ^^ An oddity, that...

Yes. Be very afraid when I post. It's more than likely 50 times as perverse as you'd ever wish something to be.

Bah! I'll bet you anything that I can give you a run for your money, little man. >D >D

Come on! Them's fightin' words! *battle stance*

[Captain Southbird (EHOL Creator)]

(I consider personal human tastes and preferences as a little more intricate than simply being the way we're biologically programmed

You'd be surprised what programming is in you.  But I didn't say ALL preferences/tastes.  And I suppose some things can be influenced based on your upbringing.  But there are certain undeniable facts in every human's existence I could not think to attribute it to anything less than a standard boiler plate from which all of our brains are produced.  The simplest, of course, are your heart beating and your lungs breathing.  But let's take it up a notch.  There's a basic instinct to survive in all of us.  Generally if we're hit, we retaliate or become worried some how.  If something moves quickly towards your eyes, they close in preperation and protection.  It's a system of instinctual behavior that you don't even really have to learn or think about, just things that are built-in for your general survival purposes.

Similiarly, somewhere between the ages of 11-13 all humans suddenly find themselves akwardly "aware" of a particular gender and curious of their own.  To what amounts/extremes is up to something else.

But remember, no matter how nice a face you put on it all, we're actually just big hulking machines driven by a series of secreted chemicals applied to various areas of a squishy mass known as a brain.  But we surely are niftily complicated.

[Saucer]

Man that was a CREEPY movie. Not only is it about gay stuff, but FREAKY STALKER gay stuff.

Yes, not to mention that he had mental problems up the yang. That was one freaky movie, and I'm still not sure what the intent of the director was. Maybe just to fuck with you? For the rest of my life, I will wake up in the middle of the night from a mightmare, with the creepy whispered phrase "Chuck and Buck, Fuck and Suck!" in my ears. Oh, the horror.....

Well, I got nervous about the topic before, but I guess I'm getting some reinforcement.  Yes, it's just a general thing I guess.  A typical straight male just only cares about what happens with women, whether because of him, or because of one of their own kind, or whatever.  But another guy just won't do it for us (if not cause us to reject the image) simply because I suppose we're not wired to respond that way.  In fact, it might even have to do with the basic biological implementation that's supposed to make sure the species reproduce.  Of course women turn us on; they're the only ones we can procreate with.  Of course then we reject males because I guess nothing gets accomplished.  Not to make this into a "homosexuality is not natural and therefore punishable by death" thing, I swear; I'm just trying to write the basic below-conscious level rulings of the brain... basically the rules that are supposed to guide us no matter how knowledge-insufficent we are.  That is, even someone who is completely isolated from all knowledge of sex is going to figure it out sooner or later whether he/she means to or not.  In fact, I'm evidence of discovering the operation myself... yes.   [To borrow from Mr. What]

So, anyway.  We're probably designed with a drive to make sure we end up on the "right" side of things.  Actually, this pre-programming may even explain the area where hetero/bi/homosexuality exists.  A particular polarization or defunct ruleset of the subconscious, where a mismatch for your gender causes homosexuality and for some reason the rule being defunct altogether makes you go either way.  Just like masochists are typically in to it because their pleasure and pain centers are cross-wired.  (Which I suppose is the basis of that masochist Ifurita story; pleasure from all her pain made her work in the first place. [To borrow from Mr. What again]  Of course, this is just a theory, and you'll do what you will with it.

Wow that's a rather wordy explanation. But I concur with it pretty much 100%. I often find that the scientific explanation satisfies me, most of the time. Good job!

As for my theory why men like lesbians (even though no one asked), and since women are always asking this question, here it is. Mostly, it's competition. How often have you been talking to a woman, and as soon as she says "My boyfriend....." or "My husband....." and something inside you just shuts off? It's a strange feeling, but it happens. You see a man with a woman and you feel like you have to compete with him. Even, on the most miniscule level. You may feel this when reading a story, or watching anime or a movie. Or, even porn or hentai. Watch a porn sometime and see how quickly you get turned off looking a some guy with a dong bigger than yours, pounding away at a woman. With two women, there's no need to feel like you have to compete with another guy. (Just speculation and personal feeling. No offense Rob. ^_^; )

As for why women like gay/shounen ai, I've read a theory somewhere before. At least it explains the popularity of shounen ai amongst straight women in Japan; girls like to think that boys are interested in something else besides soccer. It's appealing to see them interested in relationships and romance. But, why two guys? Good question. Keep in mind, some women get turned on by seeing two guys for the same reason some men get turned on by seeing two women. Just like my friend, who wouldn't let me shut off Chuck & Buck, even they started making out. "I want to see what happens!" she says. Yeah, great. Thanks. ;

[Captain Southbird (EHOL Creator)]

As for my theory why men like lesbians (even though no one asked), and since women are always asking this question, here it is. Mostly, it's competition. How often have you been talking to a woman, and as soon as she says "My boyfriend....." or "My husband....." and something inside you just shuts off? It's a strange feeling, but it happens. You see a man with a woman and you feel like you have to compete with him. Even, on the most miniscule level. You may feel this when reading a story, or watching anime or a movie. Or, even porn or hentai. Watch a porn sometime and see how quickly you get turned off looking a some guy with a dong bigger than yours, pounding away at a woman. With two women, there's no need to feel like you have to compete with another guy. (Just speculation and personal feeling. No offense Rob. ^_^; )

Actually, I have to agree with all this business.  But yes, normally it's all true, except that it was an immediate box-in even worse than "another guy" taking the girl, it was a girl taking the girl, which made it virtually impossible to compete.    But that was a special case.