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Title: Two New Box Sets for El hazard fanss
Post by: mark_engels on May 18, 2003, 08:39:50 pm
From the El Hazard Fan Club Yahoo! group, friends.  FYI.

--me

Mark Engels

To: el-hazard@yahoogroups.com
From:  "ty perry" <yrrepat@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 21:53:04 -0000
Subject: [el-hazard] Two New Box Set for El hazard fans!!!!!!
     
New Box Set will be coming out.


 El Hazard: The Alternative World Box Set

325 min.

$79.98

07/01/2003


 El Hazard: The Wanderers Box Set

650 min.

$79.99

07/01/2003  

find out more go to

http://www.animeondvd.com/releases/
Title: Re: Two New Box Sets for El hazard fanss
Post by: Captain Southbird (EHOL Creator) on May 18, 2003, 11:06:50 pm
I briefly heard of this from a buddy of mine.  I didn't want to say anything until it was official.  Finally, a REAL boxset for Wanderers and Alternative World as opposed to the eBay pirates that have been out there forever.  ;p  What a shame I spent over $200 on my individual DVDs.  I'm hoping these are identical to the individual releases and didn't add anything, else I might have to actually be mad about it.

I do wonder... this kind of shows that El-Hazard at least isn't on any "whole" completely dead within the company I guess.
Title: Re: Two New Box Sets for El hazard fanss
Post by: Saucer on May 22, 2003, 01:05:53 am
Alt World and Wanderers are the two series that I still only have VHS (and dubbed -.-) copies of. I always meant to replace them on DVD. Not a practice I usually adhere to. But, it's El Hazard so......

I guess procrastination really does pay off some times!
Title: Re: Two New Box Sets for El hazard fanss
Post by: frizbon on May 26, 2003, 04:12:09 pm
Thats about what I paid for them individually, but now I don't get a nifty box... curses...
Title: Re: Two New Box Sets for El hazard fanss
Post by: Captain Southbird (EHOL Creator) on May 26, 2003, 04:21:13 pm
I paid a little more than $200 I believe ... it was something close to my debit card's daily transaction limit.

Sometimes they sell just the box :p  At least it happens for more popular series...
Title: Re: Two New Box Sets for El hazard fanss
Post by: Saucer on May 27, 2003, 01:08:38 am
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Thats about what I paid for them individually, but now I don't get a nifty box... curses...

Right Stuff often seems to have some "extra" empty boxes on hand for sale. At least, they did with Evangelion.

'Tis odd though. First they were releasing individual tapes/DVDs, then releasing boxsets. Then they start releasing the first volume with the series box. Now they're releasing individual discs, then super discounted sets. That's what they did with Kurogane Communication.
-.-
Title: Re: Two New Box Sets for El hazard fanss
Post by: Spanner on June 01, 2003, 02:17:07 am
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Right Stuff often seems to have some "extra" empty boxes on hand for sale. At least, they did with Evangelion.

'Tis odd though. First they were releasing individual tapes/DVDs, then releasing boxsets. Then they start releasing the first volume with the series box. Now they're releasing individual discs, then super discounted sets. That's what they did with Kurogane Communication.
-.-


*Sighs* It makes sense, though... The avid fans pick up the series right away, right? Afterwards, the company starts to make modifications, adding on bells and whistles, and lowering the price, to try to make the product look more attractive to the ones that originally passed it up. They don't need to worry about making new stuff for the avid fan - they already HAVE their money.

Would it kill them, though, to have the boxes alone for sale, for the devoted fan who misses out on the good stuff because he or she was being a good, loyal customer?  >:( It doesn't seem like a very good business practice to consistantly infuriate the ones who are willing to buy the anime as soon as it comes out, no matter the price.

As for Right Stuf, unfortunately, I wouldn't count on them having the boxes for sale. When they sell individual boxes, they are usually boxes that have been available individually from the start, or else were something added intended for the original disks, but long after the original discs were released (that is, it's an add-on, not a new product). Both the Neon Genesis Evangelion boxes and the Escaflowne boxes were that way. I always hate to be a pessimist, but I wouldn't get my hopes up, if I were you.

I'd like these boxes, so I'm gonna watch e-bay for a while after the sets come out, and see if there's anyone that picked up the box sets and decided they didn't actually want the box. Aside from forking over the dough to buy the series a second time, that'll probably be the best way to get a box.
Title: Re: Two New Box Sets for El hazard fanss
Post by: Saucer on June 01, 2003, 02:42:54 pm
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*Sighs* It makes sense, though... The avid fans pick up the series right away, right? Afterwards, the company starts to make modifications, adding on bells and whistles, and lowering the price, to try to make the product look more attractive to the ones that originally passed it up. They don't need to worry about making new stuff for the avid fan - they already HAVE their money.

Great business sense indeed. -_________________-;

Right after I finished collecting the entire Magic Knight Rayearth TV series on VHS, they released the DVD boxsets with music videos, extras and *GASP* the eye-catches!

It's a sweet deal if you've been planning on picking up the series anyway. It affords you an excuse. But if you've already painstakingly forked over the cash for the individual volumes........ Well, at least it's not like the good ol' VHS days with 2 episodes per tape. -.-
Title: Re: Two New Box Sets for El hazard fanss
Post by: Shade on June 01, 2003, 03:57:07 pm
Too many things to buy, so many bills, so little money.  :P

*wallet cries*

Title: Re: Two New Box Sets for El hazard fanss
Post by: Neil Lafrenais on June 11, 2003, 03:12:19 am
I am actually thinking of getting the Alternative World boxset. Seeing as I only have the first volume, it would be quite easy for me to eBay it off (for the recommended retail price, if I'm lucky. Those poor British eBay-ers who can't import would find it most welcome ;p), and use that some of my own money to invest in the boxset.

[checks out up1.co.uk] Yes, it's only £60 or so, so that would indeed save some money.

Anyway, I have a question about this. What the hell is a "Bailey Box"? I'm thinking it is one of these:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00005UBKB/qid=1055319045/sr=8-5/ref=sr_8_5/102-5844264-8940163?v=glance&s=dvd&n=507846

But please correct me if I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Two New Box Sets for El hazard fanss
Post by: mistercat on June 14, 2003, 08:00:36 pm
I'm with Shade on this one.  There was a time -- perhaps long, long ago in a faraway country -- when issued products were in fact final products.

Sure, I'd love to be able to afford every new "director's cut" release of favored films; but since the re-releasing scenario has become (in most cases) a matter of business rather than art I restrain myself.

It's rather like the corporations are telling us: "Help us out now, up front, so we can punish you later."  Although it's exciting to discover some long-lost scene from a production, I get the impression these days things are deliberately held back for re-release purposes.

>:(

=^..^=
Title: Re: Two New Box Sets for El hazard fanss
Post by: Captain Southbird (EHOL Creator) on June 14, 2003, 09:42:26 pm
Mm, that could be true.  It's good incentive anyway... :P
Title: Re: Two New Box Sets for El hazard fanss
Post by: Saucer on June 15, 2003, 03:36:14 pm
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I'm with Shade on this one.  There was a time -- perhaps long, long ago in a faraway country -- when issued products were in fact final products.

Sure, I'd love to be able to afford every new "director's cut" release of favored films; but since the re-releasing scenario has become (in most cases) a matter of business rather than art I restrain myself.

It's rather like the corporations are telling us: "Help us out now, up front, so we can punish you later."  Although it's exciting to discover some long-lost scene from a production, I get the impression these days things are deliberately held back for re-release purposes.

>:(

=^..^=

That can be quite frustrating indeed, and would appear to be the case. However, there actually is alot more to it. Most of the time, the version of a series that a company gets is whatever the Japanese company offers them. That may mean they're getting the edited TV version, as was the case with CPM & Maze and ADV and Sakura Diaries. Or, they may get the series, sans eye catches and previews! As was the case with AnimeWorks & Magic Knight Rayearth, and CPM and Slayers.

Basically, Japanese companies that own the rights dictate the terms of the licensing agreement. That's the reason why it took so long for many Gundam series to make it over here, because Sunrise wanted broadcast TV rights and mechandising rights. That wasn't always feasible or practical back in the day. Now that anime is showing more commercial potential (-.-) and popularity in the US though, US companies now have more pull in licensing negotiations. ^^;
Title: Re: Two New Box Sets for El hazard fanss
Post by: mistercat on June 15, 2003, 07:00:48 pm
Aha!  Thanks for pointing that out, Saucer.  I'd not thought of that aspect of the situation.

My own experience with "domestic" versus "foreign" visual media leads me to believe anything coming to the States from abroad is tamed down (usually in regard to sexual content) by whomever releases it here.  Add to that the points you made regarding the business aspects of all this and I can see where such a product released in the U.S.A. would be a lesser product than that released abroad.

So, if the censorship (via either business or prudishness) has in fact lessened its grip here in the States, I can see the value in acquiring newer releases of older visual media.  I'm quite sorry to hear, though, that Stateside taste is having more influence over original product made abroad:  Such taste flows not from the general public but from special-interest groups with cash to spread around.

:(

=^..^=
Title: Re: Two New Box Sets for El hazard fanss
Post by: Captain Southbird (EHOL Creator) on June 15, 2003, 07:43:19 pm
That is true.  However, so long as something is released direct to video, and not attempted to be marketed as children's television, most often an anime remains generally uncensored nowadays.

You'd probably want to import "famous" animes aired on US TV such as Sailor Moon or DBZ, but things like El-Hazard weren't intended to air (even though a bit of it has) so the video releases are pretty much intact for what they should be.

You pretty much just have to escape the "cartoons are only for kids" rule and you're okay.
Title: Re: Two New Box Sets for El hazard fanss
Post by: theravenisdead on June 15, 2003, 10:45:53 pm
I hate living in Canada, anime is expensive here. Dangit.  >:(
Title: Re: Two New Box Sets for El hazard fanss
Post by: Saucer on June 16, 2003, 01:33:49 am
It really varies by the situation. A series that gets licensed, with the intent of being marketed on children's TV *COUGH*Pokemon*COUGH* is going to get the hack & slash job. And the subsequent DVD release will be equally butchered. That's mainly because the company marketing it to children don't want their parents to accidentally get ahold of seemingly "X-rated" (read: original unedited Japanese home video release, different censorship standards you know ^^; ) copy of their child's favorite "cartoon." It's something of a miracle that Pioneer went to the trouble to do two entirely seperate releases of Card Captor Sakura. Of course, CCs has a huge fan following. And I'm sure they didn't want to incite a riot. ^^;  

Although it is annoying when companies do two or more different releases of a title, at least we have the option to pick up a less edited version. ADV does it. Software Sculptures doesn't, however. -.-

You see, believe it or not, Japanese TV does have censorship standards. Although more relaxed than ours, due to cultural differences and such. So, studios often pull out all the stops (or as many as they have the druther to) and in the end, some things get cut from the broadcast version. Fortunately (for Japanese consumers) the home video release includes all the edited bits. And if you want to see how far they go, you should try downlading some episodes of Ebichu. O_O ^_^;;; That one pushed the limits of Japnese broadcasting standards. To unbelievable levels.
Title: Re: Two New Box Sets for El hazard fanss
Post by: Tsukasa on June 25, 2003, 07:42:07 pm
Those box sets are very tempting indeed ^^ I've wanted to get EL-Hazard on dvd (I own it all on VHS but wanted to get them  on dvd now) I have the OVA box set and these being out now is great.  Though the Wanderers box set is better value seeing as Alt World is only 13 episodes
Title: Re: Two New Box Sets for El hazard fanss
Post by: Captain Southbird (EHOL Creator) on June 25, 2003, 07:55:40 pm
I hear that argument a lot, even before the boxset business -- "Wanderers is a better value because there's more episodes per DVD." (or some form of this)

That's not entirely correct, since The Wanderers and Alternative World are completely, utterly different concepts.  Unfortunately, while the Alternative World follows the more "matured" storyline of the OAV-OAV2, it's not very well executed and opened too many plotholes that it didn't effectively close.  Yet the Wanderers, while featuring many of the original cast in more or less their same respective forms, focused on replacing more of the sci-fi elements with mysticisms and generally made it more cutesy.  The redeeming value though is definitely the slap-stick.  It's like an "El-Hazard Lite".

Anyway, my point is, you can't focus on the quantity as the value factor.  It's really the series itself.  (DVD or VHS anime is typically a rip-off any way you slice it regardless ;))
Title: Re: Two New Box Sets for El hazard fanss
Post by: MrWhat on July 06, 2003, 05:37:34 pm
I just got a spam-by-subscription e-mail that featured six new box sets.

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Adventures of the Mini Goddess DVD Collectors Boxed Set
Angel Links DVD, Special Edition Collectors Boxed Set
El Hazard, the Alternative World DVD Collectors Boxed Set
El Hazard: The Wanderers DVD Collectors Boxed Set
G-Gundam DVD, Collectors Boxed Set #4
NieA Under 7 DVD Collectors Boxed Set

Ouch!  I bought four of those six in individual volumes.  I keep my DVDs in CD cases, and I don't care about the actual box of a box set.  But that's a lot of money that I could have saved.  Ouch!

On the other hand, I've played the heck out of Mini-Goddess and EH, so that's hours of enjoyment I wouldn't have had if I had waited.  (NieA is good, but it's a lesser favorite, I guess.)
Title: Re: Two New Box Sets for El hazard fanss
Post by: Adrain_Shepard on July 07, 2003, 09:38:41 pm
I bought a import Box set of El Hazard OVA.I still love it.I'll buy the US box set this time! and also Wanderers box set and the Alternative.

Alright I ordered The Alternative woohoo!!! along with the pre ordered of .hack//sign vol.4 limited edition =)
Title: Re: Two New Box Sets for El hazard fanss
Post by: Saucer on July 12, 2003, 04:00:11 pm
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I just got a spam-by-subscription e-mail that featured six new box sets.

Ouch!  I bought four of those six in individual volumes.  I keep my DVDs in CD cases, and I don't care about the actual box of a box set.  But that's a lot of money that I could have saved.  Ouch!

On the other hand, I've played the heck out of Mini-Goddess and EH, so that's hours of enjoyment I wouldn't have had if I had waited.  (NieA is good, but it's a lesser favorite, I guess.)

Damn. I bought Angel Links and NieA_7 seperately. Mini-Goddesses I still have on fansub. I'll probably get the Wanderers and Alt World boxes eventually. Hey Sarah look, G Gundam!!!!!!! *NEIGH*
Title: Re: Two New Box Sets for El hazard fanss
Post by: Kathy Guinea on July 12, 2003, 06:41:20 pm
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Hey Sarah look, G Gundam!!!!!!! *NEIGH*


That's cruel and unusual punishment, Saucer.
Title: Re: Two New Box Sets for El hazard fanss
Post by: Saucer on July 13, 2003, 08:05:24 pm
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That's cruel and unusual punishment, Saucer.

Gomen nasai....... :'(
Title: Re: Two New Box Sets for El hazard fanss
Post by: Lord God Jinnai on July 20, 2003, 05:35:08 am
I just recently bought the Wanderers Boxed set, but unfortunately the third volume has a defect in it. I believe Pioneer recalled all of them, and those who all ready bought the set can have vol.3 replaced free of charge.

Thankfully I managed to talk my local retailer into merely exchanging my in-box volume 3 for a copy of the regular Wanderers vol.3, thereby saving me the annoyance of having to send out for the replacement.
Title: Re: Two New Box Sets for El hazard fanss
Post by: Captain Southbird (EHOL Creator) on July 20, 2003, 07:44:50 am
Good job.  :P  And I see you've at least seen a little bit of Alternative World there (the infamous "boil")

How much El-Hazard have you seen?  Or is it just Wanderers and Alternative World since they came out with boxsets?
Title: Re: Two New Box Sets for El hazard fanss
Post by: Lord God Jinnai on July 20, 2003, 01:19:41 pm
I am proud to say that I have seen ALL of El Hazard. I began by buying the DVD box set with the Magnificent World and EH2, which only served to whet my appetite for more so I bought the entire series of Alternative World. Fast forward a year later to last week, whereupon Pioneer had released the Wanderers boxed set which brought the EH fan within me to emerge once more.

Title: Re: Two New Box Sets for El hazard fanss
Post by: Captain Southbird (EHOL Creator) on July 20, 2003, 01:47:11 pm
Wow, almost like me.  Except I bought all of AW and W immediately after finishing OAV and OAV2.  :P  (Cost me $200-some, of course since no boxsets were available to ME.  :-[)  But very cool indeed!
Title: Re: Two New Box Sets for El hazard fanss
Post by: Saucer on July 20, 2003, 02:59:28 pm
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I just recently bought the Wanderers Boxed set, but unfortunately the third volume has a defect in it. I believe Pioneer recalled all of them, and those who all ready bought the set can have vol.3 replaced free of charge.

Thankfully I managed to talk my local retailer into merely exchanging my in-box volume 3 for a copy of the regular Wanderers vol.3, thereby saving me the annoyance of having to send out for the replacement.

Looks like procrastination really pays off! The only problem is, Amazon.com whom I buy most of my anime from, usually has a huge stock of these defective pressings of DVDs. And they usually will ship you a defective one and then have you go through the trouble of returning it for a working copy. rather than send back all their defective stock in the first place.
-______________________-;

I got stung with bad pressings of Saber Marionette J and the Escaflowne movie.
Title: Re: Two New Box Sets for El hazard fanss
Post by: MrWhat on July 25, 2003, 11:38:27 pm
Another spam-by-subscription e-mail today.  It's old news, I guess, but it might be helpful to someone.

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+ EL HAZARD WANDERERS DVD BOXED SET RECALL
Pioneer Entertainment has officially announced a product recall for the El Hazard Box due to numerous defective disk #3's. If you have a defective El Hazard Wanderers DVD Boxed set, you can now contact Deluxe Digital Media Services directly at 1-800-538-3601 to arrange a replacement. This offer will be available until 12/31/03.

In the mean time, we have also pulled all El hazard Wanderers DVD Boxes from our shelves, and we are expecting replacement fixed boxed sets to arrive within 10 days. The new, corrected boxed sets will include a 10th anniversary sticker.
Title: Re: Two New Box Sets for El hazard fanss
Post by: Captain Southbird (EHOL Creator) on July 26, 2003, 08:15:33 am
Looks like Anime Corner Store's email you're referring to.  Yes, this has gotten around quite a bit.  I was debating if I should post news on defective disc 3 or not.  People probably already heard / have acted on this.
Title: Re: Two New Box Sets for El hazard fanss
Post by: Saucer on July 26, 2003, 06:32:05 pm
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Another spam-by-subscription e-mail today.  It's old news, I guess, but it might be helpful to someone.


Pioneer Animation 10th Anniversary? O_O Wow, now I really feel old.